WEC WEC 2023 Season - A new beginning! - Page 14

Sodemo · 20 Mar 2023, 10:46 (Ref:4148415)

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Originally Posted by PhilipR

Thoughts that came up to me during this weekend's racing
Are LMDh at a disadvantage when it comes to tire wear and corner exit traction because their hybrids deploys on the rear tyres whilst for Hypercar is on the front axle?

It is only early days but this might become a bit of an issue that is difficult to sort out moving forward when it comes to equivalency

I imagine such things would be worked into the BOP? I did wonder if an inherent advantage would be given to the LMH cars since they have gone to the trouble of designing a bespoke car.

seanyb505 · 20 Mar 2023, 10:51 (Ref:4148416)

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I did wonder if an inherent advantage would be given to the LMH cars since they have gone to the trouble of designing a bespoke car.

I've thought the same. Regardless of Toyota's performance last week, they've enjoyed years of bop that advantaged them simply because they were running to a different portion of the ruleset than the privateers. Hard to see how the ACO would drop all ego and create a level playing field for a kind of car that wasn't their idea, against a kind of car they would be quicker to call their own.

Mike E · 20 Mar 2023, 12:17 (Ref:4148436)

As part of the LMDh/LMH unification process the hybrid deployment speed for LMH front wheel electric motors was raised to 190kph. The traction advantage LMP1s used to have catapulting out of corners is gone.

**Aysedasi** · 20 Mar 2023, 13:19 (Ref:4148455)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

As part of the LMDh/LMH unification process the hybrid deployment speed for LMH front wheel electric motors was raised to 190kph. The traction advantage LMP1s used to have catapulting out of corners is gone.

Which I confess I'm sad about, it was absolutely spectacular. There was nothing like watching the LMP1s accelerating out of Arnage at Le Mans - quite breathtaking.

Mike E · 20 Mar 2023, 13:21 (Ref:4148456)

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Which I confess I'm sad about, it was absolutely spectacular. There was nothing like watching the LMP1s accelerating out of Arnage at Le Mans - quite breathtaking.

Agreed. Especially with a GTE for reference. Mind boggling.

PhilipR · 21 Mar 2023, 09:34 (Ref:4148604)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

As part of the LMDh/LMH unification process the hybrid deployment speed for LMH front wheel electric motors was raised to 190kph. The traction advantage LMP1s used to have catapulting out of corners is gone.

But that still means the LMDh puts the extra torque on the back wheels whilst the LMHs do it on the front - so would this provide a tire wear advantage for Hybrid LMH?

Not sure how effectively you can BOP against that except for different tyres for the different platforms

Will be interesting to see tire wear amongst cars for this season

Sodemo · 21 Mar 2023, 12:11 (Ref:4148647)

Probably just need to make the LMDh cars 20kg lighter or something. Its all part of the BOP game.

I actually really liked back in WTCC when they could have a manual dog gearbox and save 25kg of min weight. I'd have loved to have seen a LMH with a manual 6 speed or something, and then be lighter.

Simmi · 21 Mar 2023, 12:29 (Ref:4148650)

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Originally Posted by PhilipR

But that still means the LMDh puts the extra torque on the back wheels whilst the LMHs do it on the front - so would this provide a tire wear advantage for Hybrid LMH?

Not sure how effectively you can BOP against that except for different tyres for the different platforms

Will be interesting to see tire wear amongst cars for this season

Yeah I was having the same discussion during Sebring. Really no way to accurately BOP that variable with it being a bit of a finger in the air guess. Like I said elsewhere I'm confident we'll see LMDh's get a break of some sort ahead of Spa.

Mike E · 21 Mar 2023, 13:15 (Ref:4148661)

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Probably just need to make the LMDh cars 20kg lighter or something. Its all part of the BOP game.

They have kind of done that. LMDh minimum weight is 1030kg. LMH Hybrid minimum weight is 1040kg.

RL17 · 21 Mar 2023, 13:34 (Ref:4148664)

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Which I confess I'm sad about, it was absolutely spectacular. There was nothing like watching the LMP1s accelerating out of Arnage at Le Mans - quite breathtaking.

It was a very big advantage - regularly overtook 4 or 5 P2s or GTE within first two or three hundred metres of start finish straight after Ford chicane(s). Much easier overtakes than P2s when they had extra top speed as could only really use at end of very long straights and trickier as speeds involved.

Those were the days when P2s had to do 50% more fuel stops so even the odd 1 hour mechanical issue wasn’t really a problem for an LMP1 verses a P2

Catching up after WE away - did the Toyotas have a speed advantage over the IMSA GTPs too (with more experienced teams than some of the WEC teams against Toyota). Very little lap time info on Eurosport - would be god to see average time of each car (top 80% or so of laps to get rid of in and out and safety cars stuff etc) now and then

Sodemo · 21 Mar 2023, 14:10 (Ref:4148672)

On a track with faster corners they wouldn’t be so traction limited since the front tyres would take more of the load in the high speed corners. For tracks like Monza and Lemans though with slow speed traction, you would probably get more rear tyre wear.

KlBD · 21 Mar 2023, 15:38 (Ref:4148682)

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Originally Posted by RL17

Catching up after WE away - did the Toyotas have a speed advantage over the IMSA GTPs too (with more experienced teams than some of the WEC teams against Toyota). Very little lap time info on Eurosport - would be god to see average time of each car (top 80% or so of laps to get rid of in and out and safety cars stuff etc) now and then

It should be possible to look into this using the WEC & IMSA timing data from Al Kamel, though it will probably take some sorting through on spreadsheets to identify drivers, filter out pit stops, caution periods, etc.

I would hazard a guess though that we would likely still see an advantage for the Toyota in terms of consistency/times within some percentage of their fastest race lap just because of the higher density of cars at the IMSA race, although it will still be interesting to see how the best times compared.

pach233 · 21 Mar 2023, 16:11 (Ref:4148685)

https://twitter.com/dhhracing/status...282400256?s=20

DHH posted the top 30 laps by driver. Spoiler alert, 6 of the top 7 top 30 lap times are Toyota drivers indicating pretty clear pace advantage for the car. Antonio Fuoco showing he's an absolute star in the Ferrari, 2nd best average and the only driver amongst the Toyota crew.

Gingers4Justice · 21 Mar 2023, 19:25 (Ref:4148717)

As you’d expect from the most experienced drivers from the most experienced team with hours of relevant race data.

I’ll be very surprised if it’s a similar story at Spa.

hondafan37 · 25 Mar 2023, 13:00 (Ref:4149115)

Porsche and Ferrari are testing in Spa.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php/?se...29675490102240
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php/?se...29675490622253
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php/?se...29675490982262

RL17 · 26 Mar 2023, 14:35 (Ref:4149215)

Thanks had a look and found these too

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fe...id:xfhvVQZCC5M

RL17 · 26 Mar 2023, 14:36 (Ref:4149216)

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fe...id:_tyGOcDqU_E

Coach Ep · 29 Mar 2023, 14:00 (Ref:4149601)

2nd Ganassi Cadillac for Spa + Jota Porsche now listed in HY (as announced). Overall pretty much the same as Sebring and Portimao but said additions tip the entry number scale in favor of Hypercar over P2 for the first time in a long, long time!

hondafan37 · 1 Apr 2023, 12:59 (Ref:4149895)

I just read on instagram that Mulsanne chicanes dropped for centenary Le Mans race. Estimated Lap 3:13:500
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqfNgDWNfWK/

Mike E · 1 Apr 2023, 13:30 (Ref:4149901)

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I just read on instagram that Mulsanne chicanes dropped for centenary Le Mans race. Estimated Lap 3:13:500
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqfNgDWNfWK/

Hmmm, 'announced' on the 1st of April...

**joeb** · 1 Apr 2023, 13:37 (Ref:4149902)

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Hmmm, 'announced' on the 1st of April...

Indeed, but could you image?

hondafan37 · 1 Apr 2023, 14:04 (Ref:4149904)

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Hmmm, 'announced' on the 1st of April...

Sorry my ignorance, what is April 1?

J Jay · 1 Apr 2023, 14:10 (Ref:4149906)

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Sorry my ignorance, what is April 1?

April Fools' Day, a day when it is tradition (and expected) for people to try to fool each other with pranks or convince others that stories are true.

The jokes themselves can vary from subtle, to outrageous, depending on the intended audience and reach.

hondafan37 · 1 Apr 2023, 14:17 (Ref:4149907)

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Originally Posted by J Jay

April Fools' Day, a day when it is tradition (and expected) for people to try to fool each other with pranks or convince others that stories are true.

The jokes themselves can vary from subtle, to outrageous, depending on the intended audience and reach.

Thanks for your answer, that day is December 28 in Argentina.

kartman24 · 1 Apr 2023, 20:57 (Ref:4149946)

Another surprise entry for this years Le Mans, shame the news was released today. (April 1st!!!) https://www.prescottmotorsport.co.uk...WE8-CxrYudsgAk

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