March 722 - 732 - 742 - 752

[JeanL]

Hello, I was with the Bernard Chevanne team at Thruxton in April, 1976 .I remember that his March 742 had been sold by March,directly, as being the ex Depailler. The bill was paid by Elf UK.I have no information about his s/n .

[Chris Townsend]

Jean

Thank you. I think that Chevanne's car was the ex Depailler 742 chassis 18 but by then either without a plate or carrying the wrong one.
What seems to be the ex Stuck 742 is now in the USA, but described as ex Depailler because of the plate now on it [18]
However, earlier in its history this car is sold in Vancouver as ex Stuck and has a lot of Jagermeister orange paint on its tub.
I think that the confusion happens in early 1975 when Roberto Marazzi buys one of the works cars - described in Autosprint as ex Depailler, but noted by Autosprint as having chassis plate 18 on it when rented to Hans Walther. Marazzi sells this car in November-December 1975, as 'ex Depailler'.

Did Bernard Chevanne use the 742 all year?
Part way through the season he's described as racing a 762. Was this the 742 modified, or did he get one of Maublanc's cars?
What happened to the 742?

chris

[JeanL]

I have no informations after Thruxton,just after I was gone to USA for all the 1976 season.

[driftwood]

was this running march cars in atlantic? if so what for which team/ drver ?

[Chris Townsend]

Mystery hillclimb car...
Second at Ecce Homo in 1978 is a March-BMW driven by Helmut Kalenborn that is described as 'ex Stuck'. I think that this might be the car that Martin Krecji notes as '77B-1' in the early 80s.
It can't be really 77B-1 as that's Jeff Wood's Atlantic and I have continuous ownership for it in USA beyond that point.
So, what is it? If it's ex Stuck?
Stuck's 762-R1 went to Japan
Stuck's 752-9 was rebuilt into that car
Stuck's 742-17 is in Canada by then
Stuck's 732-1 is in the UK by then

or is it a special off a Stuck tub?

Chris

[driftwood]

could easily be 742 to be a 77B with bmw motor

[sircosworth]

Originally Posted by David McKinney

Re the ex-NZ March 722
Two cars went to NZ at the end of 1972, the Sports Motors car, 722/1, which Gerry Birrell had been racing in F2, and 722/37, which Chris Oates had run in British FAt races.
The first was raced by Ken Smith in 1973, then sold less engine to Frank Radisich, who ran it first with a Repco V8 engine (1974-75) and then with a Mazda rotary (1976-77). Dave Saunders leased it for the 1978 NZ internationals, and ran it with a BDG engine, after which Radisich kept it as a fun car. It then passed through the hands of Dennis Dunbar, Charlie Conway and Adrian Whapman, who was advertising it for sale in 1994
Baron Robertson raced 722/37 in NZ then traded it in on an F5000 Elfin with Max Stewart, who ran the March for John Leffler in Australia in 1974. I don’t know what happened to it after that.

•732/9. Raced originally by Mike Beuttler for Brian Lewis Racing, then acquired by Andy Sutcliffe, who raced it from the Karlskoga round onwards. Ken Smith raced in NZ 1974, then sold to Ken Shirvington in Australia, who was still campaigning it it 1978

Regarding the above notes:
722-1 was the prototype 722, bought new by Gerry Birrell, who then sold it to Ken Smith - when the car arrived in NZ it was packaged immaculately in a wooden crate with the car mounted less wheels on polystyrene blocks with all the parts individually wrapped! Ken wrote to Birrell to tell him how impressed he was only to be informed by his widow that he had unfortunately been killed.

The car is still in NZ owned by David Heron painted in STP livery and claiming that it is the ex-Niki Lauda car which it quite obviously is not - Ken says that Lauda may possibly have tested it once when new but definitely never raced it.

732-9 wasn't run by Brian Lewis but was a brand new car leased from March by Andy Sutcliffe for one race, after which he had until the end of a certain day to come up with the money for the next race. Ken Smith was in the UK to buy a car and when Sutcliffe didn't stump up with the money in time March sold the car to Ken and it was shipped to NZ to race before selling it to Shirvington who still has it under his house.

[Pierpaolo]

I own a March 742-28 former Carlo Giorgio's. Italian Automobilism Federation gave him the car as a reward for his victory in the 1973 Italian F3 Championship. Now the car is totally disassembled.

[Chris Townsend]

Originally Posted by Pierpaolo

I own a March 742-28 former Carlo Giorgio's. Italian Automobilism Federation gave him the car as a reward for his victory in the 1973 Italian F3 Championship. Now the car is totally disassembled.

Pierpaolo, Carlo Giorgio kept that car for at least five years. Do you know who owned it after him and whether it was used in competition?

Also, Giorgio ran a number of different engines in that car. You could run the following and remain totally authentic:
Ford 2.0 ohc ['Pinto' engine that was in RS2000] from early 1974 to mid 1975
BDA 2.0 from Mugello, July 1975
Amaroli [at Nurburgring 1976, though don't know if this was Amaroli's own engine or BDA they'd tuned]
Hart 420R from Vallelunga 1977

I can't think of an F2 car that ran so many different engines in its life, in period.

Chris

[driftwood]

That car 742#28 was owned for many years by Ralph leduman
he sold it 3 poss 4 years ago to teh swiss man Oskar Christian (son?)
Giorgio also raced in Aurora or shellsport Gp8 uk events with the car

8 years ago he called me for parts for Flammini`s car

[Pierpaolo]

I bought only the chassis nearly ten years ago. I called Carlo Giorgio, he told me the whole history of the the car, what you wrote about the engines is correct. The Amaroli engine was a 6 cylinders made by Amaroli himself (Amaroli still owns one). At the end of 1979 the car was totally disassembled and sold in parts. Now I have all the parts to re-assemble it, even the BDA engine. The chassis is still in the original colours.

[CScott]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Pierpaolo, Carlo Giorgio kept that car for at least five years. Do you know who owned it after him and whether it was used in competition?

Also, Giorgio ran a number of different engines in that car. You could run the following and remain totally authentic:
Ford 2.0 ohc ['Pinto' engine that was in RS2000] from early 1974 to mid 1975
BDA 2.0 from Mugello, July 1975
Amaroli [at Nurburgring 1976, though don't know if this was Amaroli's own engine or BDA they'd tuned]
Hart 420R from Vallelunga 1977

I can't think of an F2 car that ran so many different engines in its life, in period.

Chris

my car can equal that i have 752-22 ex john nicholson pinch plant car ran chevy vega/ bdg/ bmw all in f2 period, rebuilding car complete with the vega

[driftwood]

the Carlo giorgio car has been running in UK and euro f2 races for the last 10 years so i wonder what car you have as Ralph has run the car for many years then sold it to Oskar around 5 or 6 years ago
I will contact him to find the trail of ownership of his car before he bought it
please advise what AM number you have on the car and doe sit have chassi plate fitted

[Chris Townsend]

Originally Posted by CScott

my car can equal that i have 752-22 ex john nicholson pinch plant car ran chevy vega/ bdg/ bmw all in f2 period, rebuilding car complete with the vega

Absolutely right, three different engines in three years, but with the Armaroli - which seems to have been a one off and DNQ - Giorgio ran through four in five years!

Great that you are putting the Chevy in it, I think that's a brave move, makes a real change from yet another March-BMW.

Chris

[driftwood]

the chevy vega when new was a on paper a powerful motor in 1972 but the programme soon stalled with funding after some motors had problems and the BDG came along with no hassles as Jack Brabham said t"o finish first first you have to finish !!"
personally i would have fitted BDG or BMW if u can afford them as the brabham "rule" will win the argument

[Chris Townsend]

I came across an Atlantic programme from 1979 today with some chassis numbers noted.
Most were ones we know already, but an interesting one was the plate on Roy Baker's "March 762/77P" [not the kind of car you'd expect to have a plate...]
It was 742-3, which according to the works records went to a European customer via Jorg Obermoser in 1974.

Also on 742s going under other names by the late 70s. Did Paul Brookes buy in 1978 the March used by John Walker in libre races in 1976? If so, we have a definite identity on the Geoff Byman Atlantic car of 1979

Chris

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

I came across an Atlantic programme from 1979 today with some chassis numbers noted.
Most were ones we know already, but an interesting one was the plate on Roy Baker's "March 762/77P" [not the kind of car you'd expect to have a plate...]
It was 742-3, which according to the works records went to a European customer via Jorg Obermoser in 1974.

Noted by anyone we know? Might he have other undiscovered treasures?

I have Baker's rarely seen 1979 752/762/77P as a different one to his 1976/77 75B/752 but I have no idea where he got it from. Also, I have nothing at all on 742-3 which suggests it went to Japan or onto the hills in Europe. The odd thing is that cars that went on the French hills or to Japan tended not to come back.

[Chris Townsend]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Noted by anyone we know? Might he have other undiscovered treasures?

I have Baker's rarely seen 1979 752/762/77P as a different one to his 1976/77 75B/752 but I have no idea where he got it from. Also, I have nothing at all on 742-3 which suggests it went to Japan or onto the hills in Europe. The odd thing is that cars that went on the French hills or to Japan tended not to come back.

I think this is a one off. AF actually sent me the scan long ago and I had overlooked it. The writing, however, is not his - too neat, almost a lawyer's hand... The other useful thing on the programme is confirmation of Wayne Wainwright's Chevron "B45" as 42.78.02

I agree about 742-3 - this more or less has to be Freddy Amweg's car in 1974/5. Baker's 76/77 car is noted by F1R as 75B-U2 which makes sense as he got it from Derek Cook, who had a new 75B at the very end of 1974 [Boxing Day in fact]. But maybe Baker had good connections in Europe.

[driftwood]

did roy baker run kuwashima in euro F2?
i know kuwashima took his 742 back home at end of the year

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by driftwood

did roy baker run kuwashima in euro F2?
i know kuwashima took his 742 back home at end of the year

Roy Kennedy wasn't it?

[driftwood]

confused.com!!!!!
i get them fuddle up as they are both Roy same era and where silverstone based race shops? thats my excuse and im sticking to it!!

[Chris Townsend]

Drifty, Dan's right, it was indeed Roy Kennedy who ran Kuwashima

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by driftwood

confused.com!!!!!
i get them fuddle up as they are both Roy same era and where silverstone based race shops? thats my excuse and im sticking to it!!

Roy B was Dorset wasn't he, not S'stone. His March regularly non-started, in Libre/FAt, and when I did see it occasionally it was a scruffy old thing. His B48 tho' was immaculate...

On the Brookes/Walker March Chris, could well be the same car. They were of the same era, and geographically similar I think. Walker seemed to be in something of a 'team', or group of March mates perhaps, with James Hunt and Paul Gardner IIRC.

[Pierpaolo]

Originally Posted by driftwood

the Carlo giorgio car has been running in UK and euro f2 races for the last 10 years so i wonder what car you have as Ralph has run the car for many years then sold it to Oskar around 5 or 6 years ago
I will contact him to find the trail of ownership of his car before he bought it
please advise what AM number you have on the car and doe sit have chassi plate fitted

The chassis March 742-28 (Carlo Giorgio's car) has been stored in my house for at least the last 12 years. I bought it directly from the man who bought it from Carlo Giorgio. It is disassembled since 1979, as confirmed by Carlo Giorgio himself, who sold it in parts. I own the original chassis plate and the AM number. I will send you pictures of the car, if you want.

PS: I apologize, I'm late in replay because I don't speak english, I use a friend as interpreter.

[allenbrown]

I would be interested to see pictures of the car, the plate and the AM number.

My email is allen@oldracingcars.com