Blue Book for 2004

[Richard Sneader]

Hi All,
My wife has recieved her timekeepers licence and Blue book from the MSA for 2004. Having looked through it I failed to find the section on Flags and the flag diagrams for the drivers. Also I could not find any mention of the different flags and what they are for. There is a small bit saying drivers should obey them. I could be blind as I'm a mere Observer but if anyone else has this years Blue Book have a look and let me know what you find.
RS

[PenelopePitstop]

Another excuse to pass under yellows

[Sheila M]

I think you'll find its in exactly the same section as last year and more or less on the same page! Seriously though, I can't remember which Section as my Blue Book is at home. However, there is a full page of full colour flag signals!

[james_williams]

rzsio396,

You will find the flag signals on page 25 under section B in the 2004 blue book.

Hope that helps.

[Sheila M]

Like I said - exactly where they were last year!

[Mark Mitchell]

Nice one Rich -all the qualities of a good obs!

[Stephen Green]

*chuckles to himself*

[Richard Sneader]

oops yes your all correct and thanks for that. How I am going to find my way to the NEC this weekend let alone find the BMMC stand I'll never know. If you see a lost sole with extremely thick glasses on wandering the motorway please pick me up!!!. Also my dog will not bite and is car trained.
RS.

[Woolley]

Originally posted by rzsio396
If you see a lost sole with extremely thick glasses on wandering the motorway please pick me up!!!.

Shouldn't be difficult. You don't see too many fish driving on the motorway...

[pixie]

On the question of the Blue Book, does it appear on line anywhere ??

ACU publish their equivalent in Acrobat ver

[Richard Sneader]

Pixie,
Have a look on the MSA web page. I am not sure if it is on the web but the page will give you contact details of how to get a copy. Woolley very good.
RS

[Mark Mitchell]

Become an Observer at oulton Park......you get one given for free!!!

[JimW]

Originally posted by pixie
On the question of the Blue Book, does it appear on line anywhere ??

ACU publish their equivalent in Acrobat ver

I believe that in line with the MSA's mid 20th century approach to many things, the electronic version costs more than the paper one and is only available by getting the CD. Of course I can always hope they have proved me wrong by putting it on their website this year. Or perhaps they already have and are still employing a Klingon to do the site navigation with announcements by telepathy.

Bah.

Jim

(Even the FIA have the Yellow book available electronically. )

[Paul Newns]

As most of the Blue Book is irrelevant to most marshals why don't the MSA produce a slimmed down version just covering things like flags and safety car regs (all of them, and what series they govern)and send it with our licences? That way we can all keep abreast of changes, even if we can't get to training days.

[Stuart Hill]

Originally posted by JimW
I believe that in line with the MSA's mid 20th century approach to many things, the electronic version costs more than the paper one and is only available by getting the CD. Of course I can always hope they have proved me wrong by putting it on their website this year. Or perhaps they already have and are still employing a Klingon to do the site navigation with announcements by telepathy.

Bah.

Jim

(Even the FIA have the Yellow book available electronically. )

Why don't they just include a link to this site? Seems like most of the answers are here anyway!!

[brickkicker]

As most of the Blue Book is irrelevant to most marshals why don't the MSA produce a slimmed down version just covering things like flags and safety car regs (all of them, and what series they govern)and send it with our licences? That way we can all keep abreast of changes, even if we can't get to training days.

Why dont they just send the whole one to marshals? I get one every year and it comes in useful sometimes. And that way observers would know what flags were what LOL

[Mark Mitchell]

I'm not biting!

[mark ch]

But seriously how are flaggers /marshals supposed to know what rules hve been changed, esp as flags aren't don't invited to attend the obs briefing as to whats happening and 50% of the time there isn't on obs on post anyway.

To anyone with the new blue book... Have any of the safety car regs changed this year?? with regards to yellow flags etc

[KayBee]

Originally posted by brickkicker
Why dont they just send the whole one to marshals? I get one every year and it comes in useful sometimes. And that way observers would know what flags were what LOL

Here! Here! Every marshal should get one when they get their new licence.

The ACU send me the equivalent without me asking for it every year why can't the MSA?

[Stephen Green]

Mark, I find it hard to believe there is no Observer on post for 50% of the time and even if their isn't a qualified Observer, someone should take on the role of 'post chief'. From my experience Observers and Flag Marshals are asked to attend briefings. On a worse case scenario, the marshal acting as Observer should have attended the briefing and then passed on any information to his/her team once on post.

[Mark Mitchell]

Originally posted by KayBee
Here! Here! Every marshal should get one when they get their new licence.

The Blue Book is really for competitors - so I can't see why every marshal would need one.

As an Observer, I get one provided by the BRSCC NW region and it comes in useful now and again.
However, it doesn't affect the way I report something to race control.

It's sometimes handy to know all the rules and regs for racing etc but are you really going to sit (on the loo) and read it from cover to cover?

Am I waffling?

[Flagman]

Am I waffling?

No more than normal

[Mark Mitchell]

Originally posted by mark ch
....esp as flags aren't don't invited to attend the obs briefing as to whats happening...

The Observer/Post Chief's briefing is for ALL personnel who are working on the post, whether they be incident marshals, flaggies or medical teams.
I find that some flag marshals simply choose to wander off and set up their stall and then come moaning when they weren't informed of something.
If some detail of the running of the event changes after my briefing, then I would ensure that all persons are updated accordingly. But if any marshal chooses not to attend the briefing, then that's up to the individual.
Medical teams often arrive just before the commencement of practice, so I often go and speak to them at the earliest opportunity.

[JimW]

Originally posted by mark ch
But seriously how are flaggers /marshals supposed to know what rules hve been changed, . . .

Mark

By attending one of the many training days which clubs work so hard to put on during the closed season.

Regards

Jim

[Mark Mitchell]

Are Safety Car regs governed by the MSA or by the organising club?
Not all SC Regs are the same!