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Old 7 Jul 2017, 12:41 (Ref:3749431)   #26
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I don't think a World Championship would work - simply transporting cars, engines, spares, drivers and personell around the world would add too much costs for a driver who is still fairly early in their career without the big name sponsors.

Best to have specific events - the Macau Grand Prix, and the Masters at Zandvoort. The Americas never really took to F3.

A European event is straightforward for European teams to get to, and Macau works because of the logistics subsidised by the Macau authorities, as the event promotes the territory to the world.
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Old 7 Jul 2017, 13:00 (Ref:3749433)   #27
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It would be nice if F3 was multi-chassis, but since everyone has moved to a carbon fibre chassis, the number of constructors diminished rapidly. Long gone are the days where to be a chassis manufacturer all you needed was some tubing and a welder, with flat sections of aluminium honeycomb forming bulkheads, with fibreglass making the rest of the bodywork.

Saying that there are a number of tubs being made for Formula 4 (often crash tested to F3 levels), which aren't homologated for F3, if there was the desire for greater chassis capacity. These include Tatuus (Germany, British BRDC F3, Spain, Italy, UAE), Mygale (F4 UK, Australia), Onroak (US), Domeo (Japan). Any others?

F3 has for many years been a stepping stone to the top echelons of motorsport, a place where drivers who had graduated from Formula Ford, added to the knowledge of close racing, and mechanical grip, continued learning: about the characteristics of aerodynamics, slick tyres and more power than they had previously. They continued learning about setting up their car.

Its also important to remember that F3 was also a place where many other members of the team refine their trade - mechanics and in recent years data engineers, but the regulations of recent years allowed teams to make their own bodywork and aerodynamics, and also suspension components - wishbones -designers, aerodynamicists. This allowed others to learn their craft as well and is one of the key reasons why F3 was regarded as such an important category.

With F1 getting ever more complicated, it makes sense that there could be extra stages to get there - the current GP3 single chassis / single engine adds approx 200hp and now DRS to the package, and from there F2/GP2 adds another 250hp.

Its logical from a branding point of view that the support races to a Formula 1 race are Formula 2 and Formula 3. They rebranded GP2 to F2 at the start of this current season, so its logical that GP3 could follow.

I think it would be a shame for the freedoms within F3 to be lost within single-chassis, single-engine formula as it would reduce the number of many talented people going on to progress further in motorsport.
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Old 7 Jul 2017, 15:32 (Ref:3749449)   #28
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I think that the gap between Formula 4 and Formula 2 is too big to have just one intermediate class. I think that having both Formula 3 and GP3 was good.

Santiago Urrutia struggled to jump from Formula 3 to GP3. Making drivers jump from F3 to F2 would be excessive.
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Old 7 Jul 2017, 19:50 (Ref:3749481)   #29
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I think that if someone follows F4 (or R2.0), F3 then F2 they could be ready for F1. I wouldn't say the gaps are too big. If you have to go F4, F3, another formula and then F2 those without a budget have no chance as oppose to some. IndyCar has 3 lower tiers and that works well. It also helps they actually give tests and scholarships to the champions. Only European F3 gives money to drivers (€100,000) but a F2 budget about €0.75-1.5 million. F1 should copy IndyCar closer not MotoGP. F4 should cover all regions and be for those with the smallest of budgets with scholarships for some F4 champions. F3 should have multiple championships but not in the same regions (eg an Asian and Americas as well). Then top F3 drivers are given a near free pass into F2. I also agree with keeping engine competition with an aim to lower costs not improve performance.

The problem for GP3 is that F3 is in the same area, is cheaper, gives drivers more track time and has just as good a status. More have come through Euro F3 than GP3 since 2012 (7-3). When GP3 becomes World F3 it must effectively be what European F3 is now, a low(ish) cost championship that helps drivers grow for F2 and F1. Otherwise Berger will create the euro-series and take numbers away from both.

I think that F2 should be the top junior championship. The new world F3 and other continental F3 could be next best with F4/R2.0 below that. (Apologies for the length and not sticking to F3)
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Santiago Urrutia struggled to jump from Formula 3 to GP3. Making drivers jump from F3 to F2 would be excessive.
Urrutia never did F3 though. He did the spec-EuroOpen, somewhat lower in level.
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Urrutia never did F3 though. He did the spec-EuroOpen, somewhat lower in level.
Same power and aero downforce. The jump to GP3 was very tough.
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IndyCar has 3 lower tiers and that works well.
The performance gap between Pro Mazda and Indy Lights is quite smaller than between F3 and GP2 / F2.
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Same power and aero downforce. The jump to GP3 was very tough.
Yes, and if he had done top-end F3 he would have been at the back in that too...
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Same power and aero downforce. The jump to GP3 was very tough.
have to agree with peebee2 here, there's a bigger difference than you think. f3 proper and euroformula are a fair distance away from each other in reality, they also run on different tyres. the attention to detail in real f3 is bewildering too, whereas euroformula requires the car to be run exactly as is comes out of the dallara factory. there's a massive difference in budget for a reason.

as for the jump from f3 to gp3, it's... well. if your man can't handle a different car then he's not the calibre of driver he should be. you don't really learn anything new like when jumping from f4 to f3 and suddenly having to get your head around downforce. THAT'S the make or break one. f3 proper prepares a driver for f1, not f2. maybe that's the imbalance in all this - f3 is underestimated by the numbering system and the importance of f2 is massively overinflated...
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Seems to me that the aligning of single seater championships with F1 is the very thing that is killing them. They used to be championships worth winning in their own right but now are used by the F1 teams to locate the drivers with plenty of money then hoover up their cash with offers of a reserve driver deal
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f3 proper prepares a driver for f1, not f2. maybe that's the imbalance in all this - f3 is underestimated by the numbering system and the importance of f2 is massively overinflated...
Driving a 200hp car doesn't prepare you to drive a 700hp car.
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Driving an F3 car us closer to F1 than anything else!
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I don't think a World Championship would work - simply transporting cars, engines, spares, drivers and personell around the world would add too much costs for a driver who is still fairly early in their career without the big name sponsors.

Best to have specific events - the Macau Grand Prix, and the Masters at Zandvoort. The Americas never really took to F3.

A European event is straightforward for European teams to get to, and Macau works because of the logistics subsidised by the Macau authorities, as the event promotes the territory to the world.
My understanding is that it would not be a world championship but a European championship supporting F1 with regional F3 Lite series feeding into it.

I was talking to the organizers of the US F4 Championship this weekend and a world F4 shootout as well as a regional North American F3 series are being evaluated but they are looking for a sponsor. There are a lot of moving pieces in play right now and it will take at least 2 years for them to all settle into place.
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FIA Formula 3 International Championship

The FIA is currently working on the creation of an FIA F3 International Championship for 2019
  • Single-make engine, chassis and tyres.
  • Engine output: 350 BHP.
  • 9-10 events, with two races per event.
  • Limited and regulated testing.
FIA Formula 3 Regional Championships

The World Motor Sport Council agreed to the launch of an intermediate category, to be run by ASNs as International Series in a similar model to FIA Formula 4.
  • Multiple chassis and engines.
  • Each championship would generally feature a single supply of engines, chassis and tyres – however, ASNs or promoters are free to propose an alternative format.
  • Engine output: 220-240 BHP.
What a great idea to use the Formula 3 names for two categories with widely different engine performances!
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Just another spec formula championship, with limited numbers. What a shame for the F3 name
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just the FIA stealing the F3 name and giving it to GP3, formula racing really is dead
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The decision made by FIA leaves a big question to Macau: Will they support the newly-built F3 championship, or support the regional ones?
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The future of FIA F3 World Cup is not clear that only its second running, who series Macau supports? The New F3 Championship or the F3 regional series?
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 14:39 (Ref:3776130)   #48
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F3 is in stake...Only 22 entries for this year's Macau GP, the lowest one since it was introduced to Macau since 1983....

I am wonder if FIA will be considerate in 2018, after the new F3 championship plan is announced....
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Well thanks to the FIA, the great blue riband event has been ruined. Another thing they didn't think through
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