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Old 24 Oct 2017, 16:29 (Ref:3776166)   #51
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I’ll agree with you there. Barry must be turning in his grave. Very sad.
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Old 24 Oct 2017, 18:02 (Ref:3776194)   #52
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I’ll agree with you there. Barry must be turning in his grave. Very sad.
Do not forget that the Dear Old Barry was helping teams and drivers with local sponsors (which would have probably added 3-4 cars on this year actual grid) , thing, which i believe the FIA does not do.

Btw funny to see that FIA rules have been softened , as before drivers had to race F3 car for being eligible for Macau GP

Anyway no need to say that Barry is missed by many ...
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Old 26 Oct 2017, 09:04 (Ref:3776548)   #53
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While the Macau grid is low compared to recent years, won't this allow for better racing? Seems like large grids at narrow tracks like Macau, Pau, etc., always lead to trouble. No room to pass unless you force the issue.

And on the subject of the FIA, whatever happened to the FIA Middle East Cup that was suggested a few years ago?

Last but not least, think Monaco will be back on the F3 schedule next year?
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Old 26 Oct 2017, 10:43 (Ref:3776565)   #54
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But Macau is supposed to be where F3 drivers from all over the world compete. So it's hardly gonna be the same if there is only 22 on the grid. That said I would love to see F3 at Monaco again
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Old 26 Oct 2017, 13:43 (Ref:3776604)   #55
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But Macau is supposed to be where F3 drivers from all over the world compete. So it's hardly gonna be the same if there is only 22 on the grid. That said I would love to see F3 at Monaco again
What is more, we don't know whether Macau will join the new F3 championship or the regional series in 2019. Are there any development made by FIA for the outgoing F3 series in 2018.
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Old 27 Oct 2017, 14:25 (Ref:3776787)   #56
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Macau will likely remain a standalone event.

While there are significantly fewer teams in F3/GP3 at this point than when they started, limiting team entries to just 8 is a little strange.
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Old 28 Oct 2017, 13:08 (Ref:3777006)   #57
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Macau will likely remain a standalone event.

While there are significantly fewer teams in F3/GP3 at this point than when they started, limiting team entries to just 8 is a little strange.
Agreed. I think what the FIA want to do eventually is have a few (3?) World Cup events that would be open to the various regional F3 and F4 series where the top drivers can compete head to head. In a perfect world that would be Macau, Pau and perhaps an event in North America.
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Old 28 Oct 2017, 13:48 (Ref:3777009)   #58
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Entries limited to 8 Teams make sense if you want to give value to the service teams will offer. Limited editions are always more expensive .

FIA also want to make sure that all teams will start and finish the season.... so merging the best (Well funded teams) of FIA F3 and GP3 is also making sense.


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Agreed. I think what the FIA want to do eventually is have a few (3?) World Cup events that would be open to the various regional F3 and F4 series where the top drivers can compete head to head. In a perfect world that would be Macau, Pau and perhaps an event in North America.
Pau is too early in the season to attract rookies drivers willing to compete against the upper categorie .

Macau GP always attracts (normally) rookies as it is the only way for rookies to learn the track (no other formula categorie run there, so no alternative to F3)

The big problem at the moment is that FIA F3/GP3 will merge , F3 Regional will different Spec (probably similar to Euro Open Formula) and Japanese F3 will stick to FIA regulation beyond 2018... so hard to see clear at the moment in the junior formula ladder
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Old 28 Oct 2017, 18:41 (Ref:3777061)   #59
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Entries limited to 8 Teams make sense if you want to give value to the service teams will offer. Limited editions are always more expensive
Is this series about developing talent or filling the bank accounts of a limited number of people running the show?

The merger talks came about because of economic pressure and the realization that the market was saying no thanks to the current service. Not because someone wanted a higher margin for running a motorsport team. It is not some massive profit centre in a junior series like this one.
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Old 28 Oct 2017, 21:02 (Ref:3777079)   #60
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It's really just GP3 claiming the F3 name, I presume eventually Japan and maybe some more countries will set up domestic series of their own based upon something like a super f4, F3 as we know it now will cease to exist
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Old 29 Oct 2017, 10:15 (Ref:3777186)   #61
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Is this series about developing talent or filling the bank accounts of a limited number of people running the show?

The merger talks came about because of economic pressure and the realization that the market was saying no thanks to the current service. Not because someone wanted a higher margin for running a motorsport team. It is not some massive profit centre in a junior series like this one.
It is more a matter to keep the prices at cost (at least) , instead of having desesperate teams giving drives for free
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Old 3 Nov 2017, 11:18 (Ref:3778330)   #62
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An edition of Autosport a couple of weeks ago briefly suggested a TCR/IMSA/SRO GT concept to remedy the problem of diversity in F3, which I found interesting and could help boost grids possibly?

As I see it, it could be a single-make chassis (or perhaps use the LMP2 format in contracting 2 or 3 companies such as Tatuus and Dallara) which would allow manufacturers (such as existing VW, Merc etc) to come in with a production based engine, with a BOP applied to ensure that generally all drivers are competitive.

Due to BOP, this would stop situations such as Prema's dominance in F3 and ART's dominance in GP3 as theoretically there would not be as significant an advantage in a larger budget as your car would be balanced to match the speeds of your competitors regardless. Equally, it could help raise prestige of junior single seaters due to the OEM-presence.

Understandably, BOP-formulas are not as savoury an idea as an all out development war, but those days seem very much historic now if you given the inflation of expenses compared to even a decade ago, the reducing commercial interest in non-electric and the ongoing state of the economy.
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Old 3 Nov 2017, 13:48 (Ref:3778355)   #63
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It's really just GP3 claiming the F3 name, I presume eventually Japan and maybe some more countries will set up domestic series of their own based upon something like a super f4, F3 as we know it now will cease to exist
F3 Regional is supposed to fit that bill. Look at the car being used in F3 Americas. It is a "super F4."
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Old 4 Nov 2017, 13:25 (Ref:3778535)   #64
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is it the same car they use in usf2000 and british f3?
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Old 4 Nov 2017, 19:15 (Ref:3778583)   #65
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The three FIA Formula 4 chassis are Tatuus (Italian and German championships), Mygale (British, Australian and NACAM championships) and Dome (Japanese championships).

The Formula 3 Americas car is a Ligier Crawford JS F3, developed by Crawford in North Carolina.

The BRDC British Formula 3 uses the Tatuus MSV F4-016.
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Old 9 Nov 2017, 11:23 (Ref:3779593)   #66
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An article from Motorsport.com said that many graduates from F4 or other junior single seater series are looking opportunities into Formula 3, still have the hope even it may the final season of the "real" Formula 3 series
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Old 17 Dec 2017, 16:22 (Ref:3787686)   #67
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Hope FIA will allow more than 24 full-season entries for the new F3 championship in 2019, and hope Macau can served as a round of the championship
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Old 18 Dec 2017, 18:00 (Ref:3787908)   #68
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I think that if someone follows F4 (or R2.0), F3 then F2 they could be ready for F1. I wouldn't say the gaps are too big. If you have to go F4, F3, another formula and then F2 those without a budget have no chance as oppose to some. IndyCar has 3 lower tiers and that works well. It also helps they actually give tests and scholarships to the champions. Only European F3 gives money to drivers (€100,000) but a F2 budget about €0.75-1.5 million. F1 should copy IndyCar closer not MotoGP. F4 should cover all regions and be for those with the smallest of budgets with scholarships for some F4 champions. F3 should have multiple championships but not in the same regions (eg an Asian and Americas as well). Then top F3 drivers are given a near free pass into F2. I also agree with keeping engine competition with an aim to lower costs not improve performance.

The problem for GP3 is that F3 is in the same area, is cheaper, gives drivers more track time and has just as good a status. More have come through Euro F3 than GP3 since 2012 (7-3). When GP3 becomes World F3 it must effectively be what European F3 is now, a low(ish) cost championship that helps drivers grow for F2 and F1. Otherwise Berger will create the euro-series and take numbers away from both.

I think that F2 should be the top junior championship. The new world F3 and other continental F3 could be next best with F4/R2.0 below that. (Apologies for the length and not sticking to F3)
Well said. I think that is pretty much what the FIA are hoping to achieve but I don't think the scholarships for the winners of the various F4 series and F3 are in place which they absolutely have to be in my opinion, much like MRTI.
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So currently European F3 has 21 confirmed entries, with GP3 having 18 confirmed entries. Clearly the merger is not needed yet, and would only harm that step on the ladder by condensing potential opportunities...
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So currently European F3 has 21 confirmed entries, with GP3 having 18 confirmed entries. Clearly the merger is not needed yet, and would only harm that step on the ladder by condensing potential opportunities...
Do not forget that there is still the Regional F3 in the pipe .... so there will still be plenty of drives available for potential drivers
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I feel if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Personally I’d rather see multi make European F3 stay than single make GP3, which I never feel was necessary in the first place
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Personally I’d rather see multi make European F3 stay than single make GP3
Have you seen that in the recent years? at least not on the chassis side , after yes i agree with you on the engine side , that was the point for F3 to have "rookies" with the support of Makers like Mercedes or Vw

TBH not many bobble hatter will be able to make the difference between the 2018 F3 and the 2019 F3.
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F4 to GP3 is a ridiculously huge step. F3 must not die.
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F4 to GP3 is a ridiculously huge step. F3 must not die.
Once again Regional F3 will come to fill up the gap between F4 and the "New F3"
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