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Old 27 Jun 2001, 13:06 (Ref:110270)   #1
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Brake lights at Magny Cours?

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"Brake lights might be introduced as a safety measure in Formula 1 as soon as next weekend's French Grand Prix or possibly the British round two weeks later, if all the teams agree"

Like enemy-ace said in another thread... "Schumacher has supposedly expressed concern over this as he doesn't want his competitors to get any insight into what he is doing in the cockpit"

Do you think this will be a positive or negative change in terms of strategy, not safety ?
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 15:17 (Ref:110308)   #2
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Schumacher...both of them... are VERY supportive over the introduction. But JV brought out an interesting point, that drivers in front might tap on the brakes way before the braking spot to disorientate the driver behind.

I like the idea he came up that makes braking light influenced by slowing down G-force...the greater the G-Force...the brighter the lights...its up to engineers to perfect this braking light thingy.
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 16:33 (Ref:110330)   #3
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Re: Brake lights at Magny Cours?

There's a syntax error in my original post...

Must be:
Do you think this new regulation will be positive or negative ? (in terms of strategy, not safety)
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 16:49 (Ref:110337)   #4
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Schumacher...both of them... are VERY supportive over the introduction. But JV brought out an interesting point, that drivers in front might tap on the brakes way before the braking spot to disorientate the driver behind.

I like the idea he came up that makes braking light influenced by slowing down G-force...the greater the G-Force...the brighter the lights...its up to engineers to perfect this braking light thingy.
According to one respected F1 journalist who works for both F1 Racing magazine and Speedvision, M.Schumacher has been supportive of the system in the press but off the record he is hoping that the Ferrari technicians can come up with a system to limit his competitors insight into his driving technique. Seeing his braking points would be ALMOST as good as seeing his telemetry traces.
As for a modulating brake light in relation to deceleration G's, i can't help but think that a savy technician could program a light to intensify earlier or later depending on the corner or particular race strategy. The light should come on as soon as you use the brake pedal just as in a road car. Brake checking has been a part of racing for a long time now, whether you like it or not, so i think the drivers would just have to get used to it. And with brake lights, when a particular driver did "Brake Check" another driver, it would be much more noticable to the Marshalls and could result in a stop and go for unsportmanlike or some such thing.

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Old 27 Jun 2001, 20:46 (Ref:110442)   #5
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yeah well i think its a pointless idea - i mean what next? airbags? cd 6 stack in the back? cripes guys, its bloomin motorsort - its supposed to be dangerous - thats why people watch it thats why drivers take part in it.

BRING BACK THE SLICKS!!!
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 21:10 (Ref:110453)   #6
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The big boys will come up with a programmable system..The driver behind will see a light but won't know when the computer told the light to turn itself on or off.. Formula1 you have to love it!
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 21:40 (Ref:110472)   #7
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brake lights should be optional..the f1 base price is already a bit much.

besides...most of the pilots are very good at hand signals..

just ask tgf
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 22:35 (Ref:110497)   #8
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Yes I thought TGF wouldn't be too pleased about revealing too much about the Ferrari's new brake system, (oh sorry that should read ABS braking system )
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 22:45 (Ref:110503)   #9
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Yes but hand signals do not win races...Michael does! or is that the FIA driving his car?
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 23:35 (Ref:110523)   #10
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And with brake lights, when a particular driver did "Brake Check" another driver, it would be much more noticable to the Marshalls and could result in a stop and go for unsportmanlike or some such thing.
Would'nt the telemetry give them away on this better than a 'brake light' anyway?
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its bloomin motorsort - its supposed to be dangerous - thats why people watch it thats why drivers take part in it.
Does'nt mean it has to be unnecessarily. Should we remove helmets too
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brake lights should be optional..the f1 base price is already a bit much.

besides...most of the pilots are very good at hand signals..

just ask tgf
You really think brakes lights are gonna break the budget? And I thought it was DC who was master of the hand signals
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Yes but hand signals do not win races...Michael does! or is that the FIA driving his car?
Jersound, have you forgotten which forum you are in, Michael can't win a race on his own
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 23:42 (Ref:110527)   #11
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These brake lights will be very useful for Verstappen!
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 23:45 (Ref:110528)   #12
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These brake lights will be very useful for Verstappen!
I was trying to stay away from that one
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Old 27 Jun 2001, 23:57 (Ref:110533)   #13
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I think that these lights will be most useful in heavy rain conditions. However, it remains to be seen whether any driver can rely on brake lights to show up in front of him before he brakes. The perception - reaction time is just not sufficient to keep him from hitting the guy in front if he is only metres behind. However, if a driver has to brake unexpectedly because of a problem on the track, following drivers will benefit from such a warning. I'd like to see what actually happens on the track. Might be great for the TV viewers to see who brakes where or when for a corner - increases the spectacle a bit.
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Old 28 Jun 2001, 00:18 (Ref:110544)   #14
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You really think brakes lights are gonna break the budget? And I thought it was DC who was master of the hand signals
1. well maybe just minardi
2. yes, but it was tgf who can verify they can be seen.
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Old 28 Jun 2001, 01:07 (Ref:110557)   #15
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I think that these lights will be most useful in heavy rain conditions.

So it won't just be Jos "Born to Run" Verstappen who will benefit but TGW as well.
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