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Old 4 Mar 2021, 08:15 (Ref:4038517)   #1
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https://www.racefans.net/2021/03/04/...nsor-for-2021/
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 08:29 (Ref:4038518)   #2
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By far the most interesting of all the team launches so far.

The US Flag has disappeared off the side completely and the car is in the colours of the Russian Flag, a flag which they would not be allowed to use on the podium in the (unlikely?) event that Mazepin finishes top 3.

Those railing against Mazepin due to his well publicised transgressions are going to be dissapointed to see that the title sponser is essentially his dad.

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Old 4 Mar 2021, 08:33 (Ref:4038519)   #3
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I doubt anyone can be surprised though?
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 08:38 (Ref:4038522)   #4
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Well, I personally wasnt expecting an actual Russian Flag livery!
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 08:43 (Ref:4038523)   #5
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 08:49 (Ref:4038526)   #6
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I've seen much worse liveries.Somehow,the Haas effort this year seems rather half hearted,inexperienced drivers and a stated intention to attempt no development of the car implies to me that they are doing just enough to keep the entry alive until a good offer comes along.
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 08:58 (Ref:4038529)   #7
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I suspect it already came along perhaps...
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 09:21 (Ref:4038535)   #8
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that looks awesome, putting aside the nonsense.

it’s funny watching everybody online completely miss the point though.
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 09:29 (Ref:4038538)   #9
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By far the most interesting of all the team launches so far.

The US Flag has disappeared off the side completely and the car is in the colours of the Russian Flag, a flag which they would not be allowed to use on the podium in the (unlikely?) event that Mazepin finishes top 3.

Those railing against Mazepin due to his well publicised transgressions are going to be dissapointed to see that the title sponser is essentially his dad.

Probably the prelude to the purchase of Haas..?
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 09:29 (Ref:4038540)   #10
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I can't be the only person that saw those colours and then looked for the "Liqui Moly" text?
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 09:35 (Ref:4038543)   #11
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Not sure whats worse. This livery or the Trump 2020 NASCAR!

Its definitely a 2 fingers to the establishment in terms of the russian flag.

No wonder HAAS didnt want to get rid of Mazepin...plenty of money coming from them it seems. It will be interesting to see how it goes for them this year.
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 09:57 (Ref:4038556)   #12
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The US Flag has disappeared off the side completely and the car is in the colours of the Russian Flag, a flag which they would not be allowed to use on the podium in the (unlikely?) event that Mazepin finishes top 3.
How so?
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 10:10 (Ref:4038560)   #13
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The US Flag has disappeared off the side completely

Not completly - there is small US flag on the black part of sidepods.

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How so?
After doping scandal, Russians can't compete under their own national flag in all world championships working with WADA
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Old 4 Mar 2021, 12:50 (Ref:4038584)   #15
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Think “two fingers.”
I think the most obvious indication of this is the fact that Uralkali has moved away from Red/Green to adopt a White/Blue/Red scheme.
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that looks awesome, putting aside the nonsense.

it’s funny watching everybody online completely miss the point though.
I agree. If you ignore the clearly political message (and I think it may go beyond just the Russian flag, but also the large Russian flag on a US team car), the livery looks great.

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I think the most obvious indication of this is the fact that Uralkali has moved away from Red/Green to adopt a White/Blue/Red scheme.
Yes, that is interesting.

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personally not bothered by the Russian flag or colours, but overall i find the scheme kind of simple compared to the others. not bad mind you, but for me, and on its own merits, i like it the least so far.
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personally not bothered by the Russian flag or colours, but overall i find the scheme kind of simple compared to the others. not bad mind you, but for me, and on its own merits, i like it the least so far.
It is simple. I do think a wide range of complexity can work on a livery. Basic ones like this one are great and more complex one that use a "chrome" look/style paint and/or complex prints such as the Mercedes repeating AMG (previously the tristar) on the back of their car can work as well. I can appreciate both.

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Taking money from a Russian oligarch is the most American thing Haas F1 has done to date.
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Taking money from a Russian oligarch is the most American thing Haas F1 has done to date.
I am trying hard not to make similar comments (which I agree with). But I think we have to be careful to not let this thread slip into politics and it becoming locked.

Broadly speaking, I am somewhat willing to give Haas a pass for the moment if this helps keep them alive and independent. But if they are bought out by Mazepin in the future (and God help us Rich Energy shows up again), then Haas will be dead to me.

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I also love the livery. Don't like the driver involved, but as a livery on it's own, I like it.
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The US Flag has disappeared off the side completely
It's under the 's' in Haas
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The US flag is also close to the same colours as the Russian flag.Quite how relevant such things are these days is open to question.Since the Gold Leaf Lotus appearance the national associations have been fairly blurred in favour of the commercial links.It does slightly irk me that American schoolkids are browbeaten into pledging allegiance to theirs.All in all I still believe that there are and have been uglier liveries.
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The US flag is also close to the same colours as the Russian flag.Quite how relevant such things are these days is open to question.Since the Gold Leaf Lotus appearance the national associations have been fairly blurred in favour of the commercial links.It does slightly irk me that American schoolkids are browbeaten into pledging allegiance to theirs.All in all I still believe that there are and have been uglier liveries.
I guess we can say it's American, French, Dutch or any other number of national flags that uses Red, White and Blue. But the ordering of the colors, the horizontal lines, the thin red line above the white to segment out a white section that is equal to the red and blue, nationality of the sponsor, etc. It can't be ignored that it is clearly intended to mimic the Russian flag. It's not a coincidence!

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I can't find the picture now, but somewhere I saw the US flag was printed backwards with the stars on top right.



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