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7 Jan 2013, 09:16 (Ref:3185867) | #76 | ||
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You might be right. I interpreted Gregs question to be `can he attach the roll cage to the suspension turrets`. Not just if any part of the cage protruded through the bulkhead. I doubt he would want to fit these bars as on the `74 cars on their own. I don`t think you should take too much notice of the chassis numbers as a reliable source involved at the time told me they were swapped around frequently due to Carnet needs etc....the NZ car is obviously known to have been the Kyalami car which is good. |
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7 Jan 2013, 09:22 (Ref:3185869) | #77 | ||
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As indeed was the case back in the day,all manufacturers did it.
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7 Jan 2013, 10:19 (Ref:3185889) | #79 | ||
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yes we both interpreted that a little differently, hence going off in different directions The chassis number on the NZ car is also stamped on the inner wing, and matches the screen printed ali chassis tag, so fairly sure that is correct. The car has never been dismantled and been rebuilt either, so although a getting a little scruffy in places it is unmistakably original in most respects. The other detail which is maybe worth mentioning is the injection system. The car could run either Lucas or Kugelfischer. The NZ car, Peter Muecke car, and car in the youtube clip ( which I think is the Koln museum car) all ran the Kugelfischer system. Conrad |
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Page 130, paragraph under the interior picture. "(the rollcage) picked up on the rear suspension loads where the back dampers fed into the shell and ran forward to take some of the front suspension inputs and end up near the front radiator." RS3100 homologation is 1660-74 with mountless crossmember and no power steering. And yes, when i read that I assumed the rollcage picked up the front turrets as we would do today, now I understand how the bars were welded down to the chassis legs. In any case ANY connection to the rollcage from the front wings is going to help, especially with the huge lump of a cast iron V6 hanging in the front. In order to get an FIA logbook issued I'd need to show proof the original cars had this. Last edited by Greg Cozier; 7 Jan 2013 at 11:54. |
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7 Jan 2013, 12:56 (Ref:3185962) | #81 | ||
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Got it thanks.
I shall have to look out that homologation cert. |
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8 Jan 2013, 14:04 (Ref:3186417) | #84 | ||
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Here are a couple of pics I took at the TWR auction, I sat in this car and it seemed to be completely untouched after it's Gp2 days. It clearly shows the cage coming down the A-post and turning forwards through the dash near the air vent, it then comes out in the engine bay near the top of the bulkhead down to the chassis rail near the front. Guess it would have helped triangulate the front a little, but the tube is small diameter and has a kink by the engine.
Note the transverse bar under dash. Were they gusseted in the bottom corner of chassis rail to bulkhead ? I also thought the 74 cars were made from the 73 cars, but can't remember where I got this from. |
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8 Jan 2013, 14:40 (Ref:3186428) | #85 | ||
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Thanks Sarnie,
Now that I know where to look, in the picture on page 130 in Walton's book of the interior of the 1973 race car I can make out the same bar welded to the a-pillar bar next to the air vent. It seems to curve upwards quite a bit as well. |
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8 Jan 2013, 18:39 (Ref:3186508) | #86 | ||
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Hi Simon,long time.That bend really doesn't look like it would do an awful lot in the event of a shunt,something I certainly wouldn't bother doing.Far better just to make up and weld in a wedge each side were the chassis rail meets the bulkhead,where the quarter inch gap is,I think it was called crash protection.
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8 Jan 2013, 19:35 (Ref:3186527) | #87 | |
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Good pics Sarnie, thanks. Did you happen to make a note of the chassis number?
Is this the car that Sean Lynn owns now? Or where is it? If I were to GUESS I would say that is a 73 car that has been updated to 74. It still has the 73 instruments/dash panel, and the 73 steering column. It also looks like it has the proper (RS2600) fibreglass doors fitted, 74 should be steel doors. There is a (genuine) 73 car in NZ as well, I am told it also has these engine bay bars through the bulkhead. Conrad |
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Wish I had a digital camera back then would have taken 100's of pics, would have been sharper too! See my earlier post on this other thread (post #35). http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...t=99936&page=3 Here is a magazine article on the Moffat car which shows the same bars, so with the TWR car and Peter Muecke's one I think that makes 3 all showing the same bars.... http://homepages.ezysurf.co.nz/~collx/RS3100GP2.pdf |
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9 Jan 2013, 10:06 (Ref:3186768) | #89 | ||
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Its going well Simon,thanks. Seemed silly not to gusset those sections,it helps keep the rain out as well.
Interesting reading RE the Moffat car. The engine bay looks far better in period as opposed to multi coloured fittings and silicon hose's. |
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9 Jan 2013, 10:17 (Ref:3186776) | #90 | ||
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Just had a look through some old German magazines, in Feb'74 Sport Auto there is an 8-page article from the Ford & BMW workshops readying their cars for the '74 season.
This pic shows a '73 car with ducktail, (plus other pics with GAA fitted), in the background is what looks to be a brand new shell still with original arches, so I guess they used '73 cars and new shells for the '74 season. Probably a lot more info. in the article but I can't read German Guess I'm not allowed to post it all on here ? |
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9 Jan 2013, 12:07 (Ref:3186827) | #91 | ||
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Great info and pics lads, rollcage sorted! Many modern safety regs don't allow the rollcage to extend past the axle CLs but it would still help to pick up the front crossmember mounts.
Now does anyone have any pictures of the front anti-roll bar mounts on the bodyshell and the links to the tubular TCAs? |
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9 Jan 2013, 13:12 (Ref:3186846) | #92 | ||
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Think you need to go back a few pages Greg,some great close up shots of the front end
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9 Jan 2013, 19:29 (Ref:3186974) | #93 | ||
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Kugelfischer was a very clever thing. As it could be `mapped` and sensed load etc....and had a very high delivery pressure. And was extremely reliable when properly sorted. But quite expensive. No surprise they prefered it. |
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9 Jan 2013, 20:27 (Ref:3187010) | #94 | |
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Hi All, Just came across this thread by accident as I was looking to see if anyone had replied to a Capri related request I had posted. Great reading and some fantastic images!
We have a GP2 RS2600 Capri here and images of the front suspension (if they are of any use) but cant seem to upload them. I can email to you direct if it helps Greg? |
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Yes thanks Michael, any and all images of suspension, bodyshell fabrication or brakes would help greg at huzier dot com. |
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Pictures sent by email. Long shot - but do any of you guys remember a MKI Capri with the Ferguson conversion? White with a black vinyl roof.
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