[iV8SC12R12&13] SkyCity Triple Crown, 15-17 June

[Chris - Melb]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

It is clear the FPR cars are absolute jets, but their strategy and their nut behind the wheel arent as strong as those at 888...

Nice try, but rather simplistic.

Outright speed over one lap doesn't equal victory, just ask Lee Holdsworth who in the race had a faster lap time than all three FPR drivers.

Besides, if all three FPR drivers are as poor performing as you suggest, then that is a ringing endorsement for the ability of Ford Performance Racing overall as a team. Imagine how much superior than the rest of the field FPR would be if they had 'better' drivers!

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

Nice try, but rather simplistic.

Outright speed over one lap doesn't equal victory, just ask Lee Holdsworth who in the race had a faster lap time than all three FPR drivers.

Besides, if all three FPR drivers are as poor performing as you suggest, then that is a ringing endorsement for the ability of Ford Performance Racing overall as a team. Imagine how much superior than the rest of the field FPR would be if they had 'better' drivers!

Yes...

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by sizzle

Is there a minimum number of laps the safety car has to do?

Russell waited until it was called yesterday and then started his car and went.
The safety car picked the field up at the end of that lap and could have returned the race to green after only that one lap on track.
Instead it went another lap which allowed Lowndes to catch up to the rear of the field after his pitstop.
If they had gone back to green straight away he would have had half a lap to catch up.

I might have been wrong but I thought I could hear Roland on the phone from where I was in turn 5

Don't think that Russell waited till it was called - there was incar footage of him trying to start it prior to that.

The SC very rarely comes in after literally just one lap as there my be debris to clear etc and it also allows for the field to be bunched up & controlled behind it, which of course is one of the reasons for its existence.

From memory, there was an instance years ago (at Canberra I think) where the SC was pulled back in after one lap only and a whole bunch of cars hadn't caught it but made up a lot of ground while others were stooging along behind the SC. After that, it was agreed that the SC would stay out at least long enough to bring the field under control but in all honesty that is more a sporting issue.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

am i right in saying for the second and possibly 3rd time this year channel 7 got the series points wrong after the race?

Channel 7 take a feed direct from Natsoft and as it appears that Natsoft had some kind of problem after the race, that's most likely the reason why the wrong points went up.

Having said that, you'd think that it wouldn't be all that hard for someone at 7 (or V8TV more correctly) to spot there was a problem and not put the graphic up.

[bluesport]

I thought that tyre pressures may have been the difference between T8 and FPR........T8 may have had lower pressures that came up to optimum on the hot track as the race progressed whereas FPR may have had higher pressures that were ideal early in the race but over-inflated due to the heat later, thus the speed differential towards the end........just a thought.

[GTRMagic]

Q13

Nice work from Mr Premat... wonder how SBR dialled the speed out of their cars

[GTRMagic]

R13



Series Points

Nice effort by Mr Lowndes, absolutely caned those soft tyres for fastest lap, and ultimately the win!

Wonder who will pilot #51 at Townsville...

[ForumNick]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Did 'Riccardo Patrese' get pinged for turning Mr Lowndes around today?

Matters arising from Qualifying for Race 12:

Following an investigation and an admission by Michael Patrizi Car #91 that he had driven in a careless manner, contact on Car #888 Craig Lowndes, the Stewards imposed the penalty of the loss of 37 Championship Points.

http://www.camsstewards.com.au/

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by ForumNick

Matters arising from Qualifying for Race 12:

Following an investigation and an admission by Michael Patrizi Car #91 that he had driven in a careless manner, contact on Car #888 Craig Lowndes, the Stewards imposed the penalty of the loss of 37 Championship Points.

http://www.camsstewards.com.au/

Errrr... 37 points? Is that like a penalty-and-a-half?

Mr Patrizi seems to be in the thick of some bump and runs... not all seem to be penalised..

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Wonder who will pilot #51 at Townsville...

Maybe someone who can bring it back in relatively pristine condition.

[Reload]

Originally Posted by ForumNick

Matters arising from Qualifying for Race 12:

Following an investigation and an admission by Michael Patrizi Car #91 that he had driven in a careless manner, contact on Car #888 Craig Lowndes, the Stewards imposed the penalty of the loss of 37 Championship Points.

http://www.camsstewards.com.au/

Even after watching a replay of the
incident today, i think he was hard done
by.
I thought Winterbottoms move over to the
left on Caruso when coming out of the
pits was unnecessary ?
Great drive by Caruso and DJR where are
you ?
Will found out today that having a
teammate battling against him for the
championship may hinder either/both of
them before the years out with FPR's
double stacking today.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Reload

Will found out today that having a
teammate battling against him for the
championship may hinder either/both of
them before the years out with FPR's
double stacking today.

its interesting that 1st 2nd and 4th didnt pit at that time.

I think FPR made an error in bringing both cars in, Would have been better to have a bet each way and get them off the same sequence

[Marcos WTF]

Really enjoyed the races- mostly clean, hard and professional driving.

And to watch fpr have the top 3 grid spots twice in a weekend and still
not get a win........pure gold.

The "thanks for making up the numbers" award goes to djr.
Jim Beam is not getting value for money there........

What ever they're paying, it's too much.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by peckstar

its interesting that 1st 2nd and 4th didnt pit at that time.

I think FPR made an error in bringing both cars in, Would have been better to have a bet each way and get them off the same sequence

As a counter to that, 888 left both cars out, on a similar strategy, and took home a 1-2...

There is no question the FPR trio is quick over a single lap... but the strategy guys are relying on some maths with holes in it... and/or their pilots push their green tyres too hard too early so their choices are compromised.

[Reload]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

As a counter to that, 888 left both cars out, on a similar strategy, and took home a 1-2...

There is no question the FPR trio is quick over a single lap... but the strategy guys are relying on some maths with holes in it... and/or their pilots push their green tyres too hard too early so their choices are compromised.

Pushing the greens too early didn't seem
to bother CL ?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Reload

Pushing the greens too early didn't seem
to bother CL ?

It certainly compromised Mr Reynolds' Saturday adventures... a lap in the '10's then nothing...

[Axeman444]

so after watching the telecast of Darwin, something has stuck in my head. What was the difference between David Russell Vs Jason Bright at the last corner in Race 2, resulting in Russell in the wall, and Mark Skaife Vs Russell Ingall at Eastern Creek all those years ago resulting in Skaife in the wall, especially considering the comments made by our Commish on the tele in Darwin that it was all David Russell's fault?

[motofan]

conclusion is the guys a uselessly biased commentator that shouldn't be in the job

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

so after watching the telecast of Darwin, something has stuck in my head. What was the difference between David Russell Vs Jason Bright at the last corner in Race 2, resulting in Russell in the wall, and Mark Skaife Vs Russell Ingall at Eastern Creek all those years ago resulting in Skaife in the wall, especially considering the comments made by our Commish on the tele in Darwin that it was all David Russell's fault?

VERY big difference, Rusty clearly turned the car into Skaife, where Russell was driving directly into Brighty who was already at the edge of the track, and although we had no incar footage, I reckon Brighty's front wheels were straight!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Mixer

VERY big difference, Rusty clearly turned the car into Skaife, where Russell was driving directly into Brighty who was already at the edge of the track, and although we had no incar footage, I reckon Brighty's front wheels were straight!

oh please mixer

the only difference was that now you have to leave racing room, you cant just force people off the track like skaife did

[Mixer]

Blah blah blah, Russell drove like a moron for that whole maneuver and I hope he never gets another run in the main game after that little effort.

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by Mixer

I reckon Brighty's front wheels were straight!

LOL as were Ingall's here at 3.28 in a nice slow-mo for you, until he ran out of ripple strip and tried to get back on the track. I love one eyed holden fans...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m0fE6UoQNo

[b195]

What left me confused about the comments re: the incident at the start of the pit straight at Hidden Valley was that at Phillip Island, they reckoned it was fine when Tander ran Whincup into the grass, Crompton describing a driver's thoughts in that kind of situation as being "slide gently out onto the racing line. Oh sorry, I didn't know you were there", yet at Hidden Valley they described Russell's move as "an ordinary move" ie. he got what he deserved.

Both times the car on the inside was about half a car length ahead of a car on its outside. Both times the car on the inside drove out so wide that the car on the outside's line was now being crowded or taken by the car on the inside. The only major difference was which car was making the pass in each case, but is that a good enough reason to have a completely different opinion on whether room should be given or not (especially as, in the case of Whincup, he had run through Siberia almost side-by-side with Tander, it wasn't like he made a surprise run on the exit and just got to his bumper)

(I agree that Russell should not have left Bright with nowhere to go but off the track or across the front of his car, the problem is how does that tally up with Phillip Island...)

(This sort of situation gets trickier when a fast corner is involved, though if you get far alongside early enough, it shouldn't give the right to the 'leading' guy to run you off the road, nor necessarily for you to spin the other guy off if you're not that far alongside - anyway, in this case, and in most of these cases, it's a slow/slower corner that was involved)

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by b195

What left me confused about the comments re: the incident at the start of the pit straight at Hidden Valley was that at Phillip Island, they reckoned it was fine when Tander ran Whincup into the grass, Crompton describing a driver's thoughts in that kind of situation as being "slide gently out onto the racing line. Oh sorry, I didn't know you were there", yet at Hidden Valley they described Russell's move as "an ordinary move" ie. he got what he deserved.

Neil Crompton isn't really an expert.

[peckstar]

well he is an expert, but he , along with his co-host, have often shown the pro HRT googles when the time is right