March 772P - 778 - Page 2

allenbrown · 1 Sep 2006, 09:26 (Ref:1699145)

OK, thanks, back to the drawing board then ...

allenbrown · 21 Sep 2006, 06:52 (Ref:1715212)

A reference to 772P-U1. George McMillan's "ex-Giacomelli" 772P in Scottish libre (Autosport 16 Oct 1980 p47).

Lawson's car was called the sister car implying it's 772P-U2 but I'll take that with a pinch of salt. Also, Dzierzek was racing the Lawson 772P at Croft 19 Oct 1980 (AS 30 Oct 1980 p58).

Steve Wilkinson · 21 Sep 2006, 07:57 (Ref:1715266)

Jonathan Varley had a very long trip across the grass at Cadwell Park on Sunday. The car ended up hitting the tyre wall head on. Scrambled the nose cone & nose box and did some damage to one front suspension mounts but should be repaired soon.

allenbrown · 21 Sep 2006, 08:06 (Ref:1715275)

U3 Steve? Did you mean U2?

Do you know the history of this car between Mather and Varley?

driftwood · 21 Sep 2006, 08:18 (Ref:1715292)

772P U3; where is that in the factory build list? I thought only 2 772P cars built.
John Holmes has 1; a 2nd car is in Canada.

Steve Wilkinson · 21 Sep 2006, 10:32 (Ref:1715414)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

U3 Steve? Did you mean U2?

Do you know the history of this car between Mather and Varley?

I believe it is U3. The car was run by Alan Newton over some years with various engines fitted including the glorious 6 cylinder Abarth and a V8 Cosworth DFR. Currently it sports a 1.6 BD tuned by Connaught.

allenbrown · 21 Sep 2006, 10:43 (Ref:1715423)

I wonder if this could be the Peter Bloore - Godfrey Crompton - Tony Westwood car. Are you in touch with Alan Newton? Could he telol you where he got it?

Steve Wilkinson · 21 Sep 2006, 13:05 (Ref:1715515)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

I wonder if this could be the Peter Bloore - Godfrey Crompton - Tony Westwood car. Are you in touch with Alan Newton? Could he telol you where he got it?

I'll contact Jonathan Varley who I believe has the full history of the car.

driftwood · 23 Sep 2006, 10:39 (Ref:1716978)

guys ive now come to this thread

i do not believe 772P U3 is a real car i believe it has been built from parts maybe 732 742 75b tub and parts assembled to create a car as back then who gave amonkeys about car history chassi plates etc
same with 772 car dressed up in 782 bodywork- the driver was looking to enhance his cars performance with the lates mods he could get or just create anewer looking car and enter his old 742-772 car as a 782

the susension parts to build Mathers 772 into a 782 tub are similar to look at but im sure will have subtle differences in angles track caster or wheelbase
To actually designate 772 from 782 for instance 772 is round tube front wbones 782 is square front lowers for starters

however im sure they can be made to fit a tub
im not sure off hand if 782 front upright is the same as 722-772
however the gauntlett is thrown down for any challengers and im sure u get my "Drift" that you can redress an old car to look "newer"
Re bernard the driver cars mail me list of questions u want to ask on his cars i will ask him
i spoke to him at BH june festival
he does remember his cars!

allenbrown · 23 Sep 2006, 18:06 (Ref:1717137)

I'd only have two questions for B de D

1. What was the 778 built from? A 77B?
2. Where did it go at the end of 1977?

driftwood · 23 Sep 2006, 23:00 (Ref:1717334)

i will ask
shall i do it in french flemish or englsh?

Steve Wilkinson · 24 Sep 2006, 21:10 (Ref:1717931)

Latest from Jonathan Varley is that he bought the car from Alan Newton who had the car for many years. Jonathan has already asked Alan who he bought it from and the reply was 'some bloke from down London way who used to sprint it!'

Jonathan will try again!

allenbrown · 27 Sep 2006, 12:23 (Ref:1721172)

Drifty

If BdeD can't immediately recall what happened to the 778, ask if it might have gone into French hillclimbs. It was entered for Guy Fréquelin at Mont Dore 1977 but didn't turn up. I haven't got into 1978 yet but that's where I may find it.

Allen

Dan Rear · 27 Sep 2006, 15:03 (Ref:1721276)

The BdeD car was owned(??)/entered by Gubelman & Gerard. Does this give any clues.

allenbrown · 24 Jan 2007, 15:58 (Ref:1824820)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Drifty

If BdeD can't immediately recall what happened to the 778, ask if it might have gone into French hillclimbs. It was entered for Guy Fréquelin at Mont Dore 1977 but didn't turn up. I haven't got into 1978 yet but that's where I may find it.

Allen

And indeed I did. Delage drives it on the French hills in 1978. It has lost its 'P' but Echappement mentions that it is 'ex de Drijver'.

allenbrown · 24 Jan 2007, 16:30 (Ref:1824847)

Hang on! A little later Bernard Delage's car is described as being the ex-Mamers 772. There's a picture (Echappement Aug 1978 p127) and it definitely has the sidepods of a 772.

Rats! Back to the drawing board.

Chris Townsend · 24 Jan 2007, 16:58 (Ref:1824868)

The last I heard of Max Mamers was using an ex Paoli 742 in 1975
When did he come buy a new 772 [presumably in 1977 if Delage is using it in 1978?]

Chris

allenbrown · 24 Jan 2007, 17:36 (Ref:1824906)

That's interesting - I knew he had a 742 in 1976 but not which one. He may have acquired a new 762 late in 1976, I can't be sure yet, but he certainly drove a 762 in 1977, getting it updated to 772 spec quite early in the season.

Which was the Paoli 742?

Allen

Chris Townsend · 24 Jan 2007, 19:24 (Ref:1825000)

Would be one of the two 742s sold to BP France and used by Laffite and Paoli. All of the records of chassis numbers I've seen attribute 24 to Laffite and 19 to Paoli. Furthermore, I think that there are observations of 24 with Jorg Siegrist in 1975.
MN only says ex Paoli when Mamers shows up at an F2 race, but I think we are safe with 19.

Chris

Dan Rear · 27 Feb 2007, 15:57 (Ref:1852928)

Where does Mike Slinn fit in here? I posted on here years ago that I'd met him and he told me he had an ex-Laffite 742. I presume its -24 then?

Steve Wilkinson · 27 Feb 2007, 21:05 (Ref:1853221)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Where does Mike Slinn fit in here? I posted on here years ago that I'd met him and he told me he had an ex-Laffite 742. I presume its -24 then?

It is still in the BP France livery - well it was the last time I saw it!

CScott · 27 Feb 2007, 21:09 (Ref:1853223)

The 742 BP car was purchased by Tony Dunderdale from Mike Slin a couple of years ago,Tony races it in Euro F2,

CScott · 27 Feb 2007, 21:14 (Ref:1853230)

sorry what i also ment to say have a look on the Euro F2 web site under photo gallery The BP car is pictured on there, sorry dont know chassis no,

driftwood · 6 Mar 2007, 09:38 (Ref:1859632)

Found 1980 libre seasonal survey report it mentions george mc millan racing ex Jack o malley 772P car
stu lawson has a 772p car to race as well so what car wa sthis a the other works U2 chassis or a made up chassi form 742 type car?

Dan Rear · 6 Mar 2007, 15:34 (Ref:1859875)

Were they both racing in '772Ps' in 80?

If George McM has the ex-Norman D/Bruno car, Lawson can't have it too. -U2 was used by Kim M in Aurora 79, not sure after that - tho' it looked v different by the end of 79 to a true 772P
I don't think Lawson got it, OTOH his looked like a 772P, even tho' it can't have been. Based on an older March I'd say for definite, if it ain't the Dickson car.

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