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Yes, basically the whole last lap was crazy with Schneider going from 7th to 2nd, Ekstrom eliminating two Opels, Aiello dropping to 5th even though for most of the race it had seemed he would clinch the title and so on
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11 Apr 2020, 15:35 (Ref:3970102) | #127 | |
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Of course Aiello ended Schneider’s long reign as DTM champ that year
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12 Apr 2020, 09:19 (Ref:3970242) | #128 | |
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Yes and I think it was still the time when Abt wasn't a fully factory Audi team.
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12 Apr 2020, 11:03 (Ref:3970287) | #129 | |
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And when they still had the qualifying races
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I've been back to the early 90's. The series heydays!!
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Yes it was a great era then. Then they made the big mistake of going global with the ITC and we didn't have a championship for a while, hence why Schneider was undefeated for so long....
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14 Apr 2020, 13:45 (Ref:3970757) | #132 | |
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I wouldn't say ITC era and globalisation was a mistake in general, the idea was good, the cars were amazing, although as time went by costs were escalating and racing got less interesting.
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I seem to remember Bernie typically had something to do with it’s downfall
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15 Apr 2020, 09:51 (Ref:3970916) | #134 | |
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Yeah, I don't remember details of it but this is true, he was sort of unhappy with DTM/ITC getting stronger and stronger and saw it as sort of a threat to Formula 1's position.
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16 Apr 2020, 09:01 (Ref:3971089) | #136 | |
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And then unfortunately came the Le Mans car that became too dangerous
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HW Aufrecht desperately wanted to go global and had lurid visions of a NASCAR type set up but possibly took it too far from its German (and selected European races based roots) too quickly. There was definitely appetite for it as the home and British crowds showed. There must have been serious intent from other manufacturers too. Aufrecht often mentioned Alfa, Merc, Opel being joined by 2 or 3 other makes which was allegedly Audi and Ford (Jaguar) Then Alfa and Opel pulled the plug with little notice during that first season both citing costs outweighing the benefit of racing outside Europe. The Japanese round provided great racing and i'm sure it was deliberately on the calendar to try and get local makes to join. Toyota/Lexus had been mooted very strongly cause of their strong German automotive links. I think it was catch 22 for the makes. High tech engineering, huge marketing platform, big name drivers great for domestic PR, but the cost involved was for an international level campaign. The Calibra, and to a lesser extent the E202 and 155 weren't models marketed much in Japan or Brazil! That could have been dealt with to some extent by using local branding as Opel did by branding the Calibra as Vauxhall at Donington in '95. Then of course Class 2 latterly Supertouring racing was getting huge. Most makes were drawn to that as they could see the same product in multiple countries for far less costs. BMW, Audi and Ford had all chosen that over Class 1 even though all 3 had got as far as prototype cars iirc? Overall a great shame ITC didn't get fully off the ground. It had great potential... |
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Wow thanks for the whole story, I didn't know all the things!
Meanwhile, coming back to the 2020, with Berger being stubborn about 'Geisterrennen' without attendance, it may prove the biggest hurdle on the way for DTM. With federal government announcing ban on big events until 31 August, Norisring round is theoretically out of question. There is one 'BUT' Bundesliga is planning return without spectators and even Bavarian Prime minister Markus Söder (who attends Norisring race annually) claims running sport events without fans is conceivable. Now, ITR has to come to terms with possibility of 'Gesiterrennen' and try to renegotiate funding of Norisring race. Then we could see DTM in July. |
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Audi gone after 2020.
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This is the end of DTM. Berger has to seek drastic ways to continue this brand and maybe he'll finally listen to Hans Joachim Stuck and his idea to introduce GT3 or GTE cars to DTM. Without it, it's the end...
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so it finally got the mercy shot
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If I was Berger, I'd try to get the Audis released for privateer entries in 2021 (create a second division for GT3s or GT4s or TCR-cars to fill the field) and then work on a new ruleset for spectacular yet sensibly priced cars. Maybe a V8 and RWD sedan version of NGTC. |
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I get the idea, and it might have merit.
But it sounds (to me) a little restrictive. NGTC works because of the range of cars that can be eligible, and already has RWD saloons competing. The engine regulations permit standard production units, or a leased series-specific unit. Would enough entrants want to develop their own V8 for such a series? And if there was a series-specific V8, would people be interested in it? |
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I’d be surprised if NGTC was suitable for “DTM”. I’d have thought doing something like adopting a form of TCR but with technical concessions would be better like a TCR+ with more power and perhaps a bigger aero kit. I saw there was a TCR Astra which was running at 400bhp testing on YouTube so I guess the added power wouldn’t be too problematic, but the aero could be more difficult I guess.
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So Audi gone. Hope they are allowed to continue with private cars, so we can keep the grid at a good number. Otherwise they might need to go back to Super GT again
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