IMSA Race Road America 2015

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Do we know what kind of lap times the old GT1s ran at Road America?

Before reading the following times note that
- The track has been resurfaced = much faster
- There's been asphalt runoff/extensions in few corners for few years now potential/theoretical additional time gain
- GTEs now are running with much bigger restrictors and stuff so it's not all due to evolution of technology
- Organizers's desired and fixed performance windows for classes change
- GT1 sparsely contested particularly towards the end

2002 GTS Pole: 2:03.812
2002 GT Pole: 2:12.862
2002 GTS Race Fastest: 2:05.180
2002 GT Race Fastest: 2:14.180

2003 GTS Pole: 2:01.969
2003 GT Pole: 2:09.124
2003 GTS Race Fastest: 2:03.398
2003 GT Race Fastest: 2:11.205

2004 GTS Pole: 2:00.868
2004 GT Pole: 2:07.577
2004 GTS Race Fastest: 2:02.176
2004 GT Race Fastest: 2:10.242

2005 GT1 Pole: 2:00.382
2005 GT2 Pole: 2:08.458
2005 GT1 Race Fastest: 2:01.446
2005 GT2 Race Fastest: 2:09.614

2006 GT1 Pole: 1:59.638
2006 GT2 Pole: 2:07.355
2006 GT1 Race Fastest: 2:01.528
2006 GT2 Race Fastest: 2:08.573

2007 GT1 Pole: 2:00.973
2007 GT2 Pole: 2:07.191
2007 GT1 Race Fastest: 2:02.908
2007 GT2 Race Fastest: 2:09.188

2008 GT1 Pole: 2:01.235
2008 GT2 Pole: 2:06.083
2008 GT1 Race Fastest: 2:01.974
2008 GT2 Race Fastest: 2:07.958

2009 GT2 Pole: 2:06.950
2009 Challenge Pole: 2:16.098
2009 GT2 Race Fastest: 2:08.746
2009 Challenge Race Fastest: 2:18.693

2010 GT Pole: 2:06.509
2010 GTC Pole: 2:14.345
2010 GT Race Fastest: 2:08.014
2010 GTC Race Fastest: 2:15.167

2011 GT Pole: 2:05.447
2011 GTC Pole: 2:14.126
2011 GT Race Fastest: 2:06.284
2011 GTC Race Fastest: 2:14.345

2012 GT Pole: 2:04.415
2012 GTC Pole: 2:12.773
2012 GT Race Fastest: 2:05.882
2012 GTC Race Fastest: 2:14.247

2013 GT Pole: 2:03.410
2013 GTC Pole: 2:11.931
2013 GT Race Fastest: 2:05.990
2013 GTC Race Fastest: 2:13.568

2014 GTLM Pole: 2:03.747
2014 GTD Pole: 2:09.079
2014 GTLM Race Fastest: 2:05.267
2014 GTD Race Fastest: 2:10.897

2015 GTLM Pole: 2:02.384
2015 GTD Pole: 2:09.370
2015 GTLM Race Fastest: 2:02.789
2015 GTD Race Fastest: 2:09.542

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Chiana

I wish not to sound like moderator when I'm not but please refrain from replying with these non productive single smiley posts you're so fond of.

For the record I do believe for IMSA-NASCAR to continue to rebop them again accordingly, we all know there's little desire in the organizational camp to have the GTs high up in the order for some reason. However I think the gap will decrease a bit whatever they do because of practical reasons

The LMPCs have always been in the way. I don't believe IMSA is going to jack with the new GTE cars. They will get faster. If the LMPC owners get their way, they'll get their warmed over FLM '09 Mk II and those cars should be a litter faster as well.

EDIT: The race got 106,000 viewers on FS1, via Racer. I watched it on the stream.

This guy needs his computer access taken away: http://www.racer.com/more/industry/i...ent-2189393616

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by BullMan

This guy needs his computer access taken away: http://www.racer.com/more/industry/i...ent-2189393616

Almost as funny as the time someone on Sebring 2012/3? stream chat said that this is boring and every team should have same engine and car like in NASCAR so that it would be 'fair' for all drivers.

[Artur]

Originally Posted by BullMan

EDIT: The race got 106,000 viewers on FS1, via Racer. I watched it on the stream.

Very poor rating. WEC's 6h of Spa reached 150k on FS1 and Le Mans(7to8pm of Saturday) reached 300k. It's sad that USA's sportscar fanbase is so small, much smaller than drag racing fans

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Artur

Very poor rating. WEC's 6h of Spa reached 150k on FS1 and Le Mans(7to8pm of Saturday) reached 300k. It's sad that USA's sportscar fanbase is so small, much smaller than drag racing fans

NHRA is on a television station that basically everyone in the country gets, and usually on during primetime hours.

[YZFrider]

Talk about sobering, while a better channel imo will bring in more numbers, it sucks to know just how far the series has fallen. I remember live races broadcasted on NBC (not NBC Sports). Below is a link I found. A live CBS sports broadccast of ALMS pulled a rating of 1.1-1.5! Respectable. http://www.sportcal.com/news/release...25449&pageno=3

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Originally Posted by BullMan

The LMPCs have always been in the way. I don't believe IMSA is going to jack with the new GTEcars. They will get faster. If the LMPC owners get their way, they'll get their warmed over FLM '09 Mk II and those cars should be a litter faster as well.

GTLM is not Gte! It's based off of it and it's bop,Imsa can and will do what ever it wants with its aop.the new gte's may be two or four seconds faster but if Imsa doesn't want them to,then they won't.heck Dp's might get sped up,don't forget gt3 will also be aop'd for gtd,maybe even slowed.

Get over this pipe dream of yours and gtlm's winning overall,it's not going to happen anytime soon without major P reliability issues.

[TzeiTzei]

I'm curious to know how many people watch these races on the website and how many international viewers there are.

And about GTLM mixing it with the prototype classes, be careful what you wish for. I seem to remember some moaning last year (Long Beach?), where the GTLM battle was decided on lap 1 when most of that class was stuck behind a slow prototype. That of course won't happen with the separate starts we have now, but I just don't see any point in different classes racing each other. It could easily have some unwanted consequences.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by DeezPutz

Yeah, we know. It still doesn't mean your thoughts aren't ridiculous.

Imagine explaining to a board of directors that you didn't maximize potential so that you might get a performance break at a later date that you can't guarantee.

Porsche trounced the field this weekend. I'm sure they were all concerned about getting added weight now.

You do realize that if they just chucked down a 1:57 that they'd be given 60+kg and a restrictor the size of a straw.... Right?

That's not how things work. There is a balance to be met within the BoP. With round to round adjustments, you have to try and figure out how to best optimize the BoP you are likely to get without getting hamstrung. There are plenty of games being played even in IMSA says not to. The people running these programs both on an engineering side and a management side are far from stupid.

[kyoung]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

You do realize that if they just chucked down a 1:57 that they'd be given 60+kg and a restrictor the size of a straw.... Right?

That's not how things work. There is a balance to be met within the BoP. With round to round adjustments, you have to try and figure out how to best optimize the BoP you are likely to get without getting hamstrung. There are plenty of games being played even in IMSA says not to. The people running these programs both on an engineering side and a management side are far from stupid.

So if that’s the case, and Corvette Racing is secretly holding some performance in reserve what happened last year when the Vipers won it all, why did they not release this extra power in reserve and win the Championship?

The only strategy change I have noticed from Corvette Racing over the years is that they tend to qualify with race setup rather than trying to set the fastest lap during qualifying now, this year’s Lemans is a good example. Back in the GT1 days they had power to burn and pushed for pole every race, now I think they only do that when there is a clear advantage to starting from the lead like street courses. This is just my observation, hell I could be totally wrong.

The one thing I do know is that no matter what Corvette Racing does they can’t beat the basic laws of physics, more weight less horsepower means a slower car.

I think this is the latest BoP…

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

Get over this pipe dream of yours and gtlm's winning overall,it's not going to happen anytime soon without major P reliability issues.

But they stand a very good chance next round at VIR!

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

You do realize that if they just chucked down a 1:57 that they'd be given 60+kg and a restrictor the size of a straw.... Right?

That's not how things work. There is a balance to be met within the BoP. With round to round adjustments, you have to try and figure out how to best optimize the BoP you are likely to get without getting hamstrung. There are plenty of games being played even in IMSA says not to. The people running these programs both on an engineering side and a management side are far from stupid.

If you think that these cars, all of them, are not being pushed/utilized to their maximum against the current AoP, I have a bridge I would like to sell. To me the thought that they (Corvette Racing) would deliberately lose a race, and fall behind in the mfg title (out of the lead), is ludicrous!







L.P.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

GTLM is not Gte! It's based off of it and it's bop,Imsa can and will do what ever it wants with its aop.the new gte's may be two or four seconds faster but if Imsa doesn't want them to,then they won't.heck Dp's might get sped up,don't forget gt3 will also be aop'd for gtd,maybe even slowed.

Get over this pipe dream of yours and gtlm's winning overall,it's not going to happen anytime soon without major P reliability issues.

GTLM is GTE. Also, when have I EVER said I wanted GTE cars to win overall? I have never said anything like this. WTF?

[jasonjessica09]

Originally Posted by BullMan

GTLM is GTE. Also, when have I EVER said I wanted GTE cars to win overall? I have never said anything like this. WTF?

Is that bad thing? GTLM's competing for overall victory against prototypes would be awesome.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Is that bad thing? GTLM's competing for overall victory against prototypes would be awesome.

I suggest you take a look at page #27, it is and will be....

http://www.24h-lemans.com/wpphpFichi...n-11juin15.pdf






L.P.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Is that bad thing? GTLM's competing for overall victory against prototypes would be awesome.

No, it isn't, but dude up there seems to think it is.

I'll give one big reason why the new GTE cars won't be pegged back: GT3. GTE is going to get faster and that will take care of some of the work to separate it from the new real GT3 cars in GTD. Stick the craptacular Conti rubber on the GTD cars and they're probably set.

[Matt]

You and I both know that the Continentals are only crap because Continental was asked to make them like that.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Matt

You and I both know that the Continentals are only crap because Continental was asked to make them like that.

They sure are. It's still their name on the side of those Hoosiers. I wouldn't ever buy Continental tires for my car as a result of their terrible racing tire.

[Matt]

I'd buy them based on their tire for the CTSCC.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Matt

I'd buy them based on their tire for the CTSCC.

Good for you.

[Matt]

(thats exactly how you sound when you say you wouldn't buy a conti street tire based on their imsa tires, btw, no one really cares)

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Matt

(thats exactly how you sound when you say you wouldn't buy a conti street tire based on their imsa tires, btw, no one really cares)

If you didn't care you would waste the time responding, now would you?

[Matt]

I care juuuuuuuuuuuuuust enough to watch you get all riled up. It's fun.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Matt

I care juuuuuuuuuuuuuust enough to watch you get all riled up. It's fun.

I wouldn't call this getting riled. Up. Thanks for completely derailing the discussion, though. Go back to your Daytona Prototypes while you still can.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by BullMan

I wouldn't call this getting riled. Up. Thanks for completely derailing the discussion, though. Go back to your Daytona Prototypes while you still can.