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Old 24 Jan 2020, 13:06 (Ref:3953139)   #46
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 17:46 (Ref:3953171)   #47
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According to journalist René de Boer last year cars have been sold to China.
That is fake news.
Now it is a good time for someone to turn up at HWA's door and get those cars up and running again in DTM.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 19:17 (Ref:3953189)   #48
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R MOTORSPORT ARE OUT, down to 14 cars in DTM. Nail in the coffin?
time to give it the mercy shot
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 19:40 (Ref:3953190)   #49
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It needs a shot in the arm. BTCC had it's dark period with thread bare grids and recovered.

Problem with DTM is big thirsty massively powerful cars are not in fitting with todays world, or at least todays Europe.

How much longer will BMW and Mercedes stick around? Audi has gone away to play electric, BMW has previously said Formula E is an objective when the technology allows a car to run race distance. At the rate of current battery development I'd say we're getting close to that.

Will Mercedes stay in a one make series? Can't see it.

Will we end up with grids full of private teams running ex works cars?
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 20:01 (Ref:3953196)   #50
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It needs a shot in the arm. BTCC had it's dark period with thread bare grids and recovered.

Problem with DTM is big thirsty massively powerful cars are not in fitting with todays world, or at least todays Europe.

How much longer will BMW and Mercedes stick around? Audi has gone away to play electric, BMW has previously said Formula E is an objective when the technology allows a car to run race distance. At the rate of current battery development I'd say we're getting close to that.

Will Mercedes stay in a one make series? Can't see it.

Will we end up with grids full of private teams running ex works cars?
Mercedes has already left DTM they withdraw at the end of 2018. Its BMW and Audi that remain.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 20:02 (Ref:3953198)   #51
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It needs a shot in the arm. BTCC had it's dark period with thread bare grids and recovered.

Problem with DTM is big thirsty massively powerful cars are not in fitting with todays world, or at least todays Europe.

How much longer will BMW and Mercedes stick around? Audi has gone away to play electric, BMW has previously said Formula E is an objective when the technology allows a car to run race distance. At the rate of current battery development I'd say we're getting close to that.

Will Mercedes stay in a one make series? Can't see it.

Will we end up with grids full of private teams running ex works cars?
mercedes are not even in the dtm
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Old 25 Jan 2020, 12:43 (Ref:3953293)   #52
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i'm starting a one-man campaign for dtm to be converted to a gt3 sprint series.
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Old 25 Jan 2020, 12:50 (Ref:3953294)   #53
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i'm starting a one-man campaign for dtm to be converted to a gt3 sprint series.
Would be the cheapest and quickest way to get larger grids again.
It's not very sympathetic to GT Masters.
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Old 25 Jan 2020, 17:56 (Ref:3953334)   #54
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It's a huge huge shame and I feel a bit devastated. A bit ridiculous on R-Motorsport's behalf because they split with HWA months ago and just now they announce their withdrawal despite claiming they will remain just a few weeks ago.

The biggest problem is that DTM remains very very expensive for customer teams which could fill up the grid a bit even in case of two manufacturers. If there are 6+6 factory cars and four customer teams we have 20 cars on the grid and quite a variety (I know, two manufacturers only but a few different teams).

I think what Berger is doing is heading in the very right direction when it comes to internationalisation, calendar, regulations (e.g. no ballast), etc and judging by these things there's something fresh about today's DTM. But unfortunately after Mercedes exit it's become difficult to find new manufacturers and this is where the problem lies. DTM should be cheaper and more open to customer teams. Something like European Supercars. Making it a GT3 series is a bit too radical maybe but something close to this would be perfectly fine. Like combination of GT3 and Supercars.
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Old 25 Jan 2020, 18:26 (Ref:3953361)   #55
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I think that part of the problem is not the cost of the cars but the cost of the hospitality and the spread of the series.

The 2020 calendar takes in 10 events, but 6 of those are outside of Germany. The 2 manufacturers involved are German and the name of the series says what it is 'Deutsche' German it seems madness to have the majority of the races outside of the home market.

The hospitality is insane, it is F1 levels of hospitality units for what is in effect a domestic series. The ITC collapsed because of the costs of going around the world and the levels of hospitality involved far exceeded any returns in car sales/promotion.

I fear the DTM will again collapse.
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Old 25 Jan 2020, 19:15 (Ref:3953401)   #56
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mercedes are not even in the dtm
My bad I'm mixing my Germans up... and suffering age confusion. Shows it must have been a couple of years since I watched last!

My point remains though: BMW have an eye on Formula E, Audi won't be staying much longer given the thought processes at Wolfsburg.
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Old 25 Jan 2020, 19:30 (Ref:3953422)   #57
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and to think back in the days DTM once had near 40 cars grid and really awesome cars which looked close to the road cars....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=606oV8boomE
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Old 25 Jan 2020, 20:21 (Ref:3953482)   #58
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Full focus on manufacturers is great when you have them, but with less interest from them…

Unfortunaly the Japanese have zero interest.

They should have focus more on private teams years ago, now it's to late I am afraid.
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Old 25 Jan 2020, 20:23 (Ref:3953483)   #59
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and to think back in the days DTM once had near 40 cars grid and really awesome cars which looked close to the road cars....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=606oV8boomE
Would love to see something like this again.

BTCC like technical rules but 50 bhp more and RWD...3-Series, A4, C-Class.
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Old 25 Jan 2020, 21:49 (Ref:3953539)   #60
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Would love to see something like this again.

BTCC like technical rules but 50 bhp more and RWD...3-Series, A4, C-Class.
That would be awesome. And then use something similar for WTCR, obviously it's great at the moment but a Hyundai i30 doesn't quite say World Touring Car to me compared to the Australian, South American, Chinese "touring" cars etc!
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