SAYONARA to the SYDNEY 500??

[peckstar]

And how many paid up to see the big rock acts rather than James Courtney versus Jamie Whincup?

maybe he can give us this answer, its easy to ask a question, but maybe he can give us an answer.

and how does he get off calling race fans bogans, isnt he a race fan also?


How many people read Mckay just for the comedy value? (see i can do it too) or even better how many people read mckay

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by peckstar

and how does he get off calling race fans bogans, isnt he a race fan also?

How many people read Mckay just for the comedy value? (see i can do it too) or even better how many people read mckay

maybe he's a disenchanted groupie? i tend not to read articles by people with one eye, just like i don't tend to read anything by James Phelps for their stupidty and sensationalism.

[Just Do It!]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Shall we do the ROI on the Sydney Olympics just for fun?

That'd be very, very interesting to see!

[eduardo1]

The outcome of the ROI will be clear by when the new Govt elects to release it.

If it's not at least 2 months before Homebush, then I expect the Libs will keep the event. Because they'll get the opportunity to be fawned over and indulged at Homebush, so will either not release it, or will say it's all hunky dory and above board.

But if they release it well before Homebush, it means they've either found something wrong and can beat Labor with it, or have found a convenient excuse to not renew the contract.

V8s will put as much pressure on as they possibly can, because the current contract ends on Dec 2013 - the Libs will be in until March 2015 at the earliest. Not even Labor will resurrect this event 2 years later. If it goes, it will stay gone.

[peckstar]

reading today that the sydeny theatre company gets more government support than the race and draws significantly smaller crowds, plus it pulls less interstate travellers

[D.R.T.]

I guess it depends on whose numbers you are looking at Peckstar

[peckstar]

not really, it was well beaten

so give me your numbers and we will see how they go against them

i will add, that there crowds are bigger than EC

[Just Do It!]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

The outcome of the ROI will be clear by when the new Govt elects to release it.

If it's not at least 2 months before Homebush, then I expect the Libs will keep the event. Because they'll get the opportunity to be fawned over and indulged at Homebush, so will either not release it, or will say it's all hunky dory and above board.

But if they release it well before Homebush, it means they've either found something wrong and can beat Labor with it, or have found a convenient excuse to not renew the contract.

V8s will put as much pressure on as they possibly can, because the current contract ends on Dec 2013 - the Libs will be in until March 2015 at the earliest. Not even Labor will resurrect this event 2 years later. If it goes, it will stay gone.

Wouldn't a "clever basket" try and lock the contract in past 2015 now then?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Just Do It!

Wouldn't a "clever basket" try and lock the contract in past 2015 now then?

NSW Government is in 'caretaker' mode, meaning the other side has to take a peek at what's agreed during this time... if only VESA had done it a week ago...

[F J Nedos]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

NSW Government is in 'caretaker' mode, meaning the other side has to take a peek at what's agreed during this time... if only VESA had done it a week ago...

They wouldn't bother as they are probably interested in moving this round to Reykjavik.

[eduardo1]

They may well have tried to extend the contract, but that would have looked dodgy, and Labor wouldn't want to risk any political capital they have (which is almost zero) trying to do favours for V8S.

And peckstar - the Government contributes financially to lots of different pursuits - sports, arts, science.

Remember, Eastern Creek was built with taxpayers money in 1993 - which I'll bet cost a lot more than the Sydney Theatre company gets. So too was Western Sydney Dragway.

STC doesn't tear down and rebuild its sets & stages every year for a one-off event. It has a permanent facility and an operating grant and is a permanent venue for the dramatic arts and provides placements for young actors.

Nobody is saying Governement shouldn't invest in sport, nor in motor racing. What we're discussing is paying millions of dollars to a private company to enable them to increase their profits, with unverified and highly suspect claimed returns for the taxpayer when there is a taxpayer owned venue 20 minutes away and those dollars could be used for upgrading our own infrastructure.

[peckstar]

What we're discussing is paying millions of dollars to a private company to enable them to increase their profits, with unverified and highly suspect claimed returns for the taxpayer when there is a taxpayer owned venue 20 minutes away and those dollars could be used for upgrading our own infrastructure.

So you have the sydney theatre company covered, now talk about v8's.

really they kick in towards 9 million a year to STC that is much more than the v8's are getting. and the v8s get bigger crowds

so as NSW taxpayer you subsidise each attendee about $5 per ticket at the v8's and around $20 per ticket for the STC and this does not include other "art" type programs, just one theater company,

There is no difference between the two Eduardo, no matter how much mud you want to throw at tony ccohrane

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

There is no difference between the two Eduardo

Oh please do elaborate on this

[peckstar]

both are run by rich people who take a cut for themselves

both are in the business of entertainment and the development of their chosen field

both sell themselves on how popular they are and how many people watch there product

to separate v8s out as being different and deserving of less money is silly, both are just as worthy of the taxpayers moneys, except ones gets less and more people watch

[scuderus]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

Nobody is saying Governement shouldn't invest in sport, nor in motor racing. What we're discussing is paying millions of dollars to a private company to enable them to increase their profits, with unverified and highly suspect claimed returns for the taxpayer when there is a taxpayer owned venue 20 minutes away and those dollars could be used for upgrading our own infrastructure.

Said it before and I'll say it again....If the Sydney event gets canned, not one doller that the Govt puts into the event will end up at EC.

EC is also booked solid for the majority of the year....That money should be put back into the facility....

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by peckstar

So you have the sydney theatre company covered, now talk about v8's.

really they kick in towards 9 million a year to STC that is much more than the v8's are getting. and the v8s get bigger crowds

so as NSW taxpayer you subsidise each attendee about $5 per ticket at the v8's and around $20 per ticket for the STC and this does not include other "art" type programs, just one theater company,

There is no difference between the two Eduardo, no matter how much mud you want to throw at tony ccohrane

Got a link on the story you are referring to peck?

Keen to buy into this theatre ....

[E.B]

Originally Posted by peckstar

There is no difference between the two Eduardo, no matter how much mud you want to throw at tony ccohrane

Agreed both are in the entertainment industry.

One is theatre.....

The other is becoming more of a circus.

[eduardo1]

First of all - both sides of NSW parliament are agreeing to commit the same amount of funds back into Eastern Creek for upgrades. So motorsport benefits there.

And peckstar - $45m for venue & performances 12 months of the year for five years vs $42m (which is the total contract cost) for 5 weekends of performance over five years? No difference hey?

And if you combine all the attendances at Sydney Theatre company - I'll wager there's as many, if not more attendees. And you completely missed/ignored the point about that money being part of a grant to provide funding for the performing arts industry as well as the STC itself.

But that's really not the point. You can find all sorts of comparisons between V8s and other areas of government funding. The Sydney race needs to be justified as a stand-alone entity, regardless of what other sports/cultural pursuits/industries get.

And nothing that has been revealed tells me that this is the case. The facts and figures quoted when the event was announced were flawed, projections about tourism numbers incredibly generous and documentation supporting those figures were hidden from public view. The deal was pushed through with a now-disgraced MP and a 'colourful' middleman and the event was originally rejected by Tourism NSW as not being credible or beneficial for the state.

And Scuderus - I suspect you're right. Unfortunately.