De Cadenet Lolas - Page 5

driftwood · 21 Feb 2007, 20:28 (Ref:1847513)

Upright= port moyeux

bellhousing - engine to gearbox spacer

forgot to say i now know where T380 Hu1 &2 are !!

They sleep next to each other

AMICALEMANS · 21 Feb 2007, 22:50 (Ref:1847604)

THX for the translation !
Are both T380 in scandinavia ? it is cold at this place, that is why i presume the two cars sleep next to each other !

Allen, i got a problem with the 913, just because in the contemporary report of the race in Autosport, i read an interview of keith green by bob constanduros, who asked if the engines is the one which won the Belgium GP at SPA in 1968, with Bruce McLaren ! did you heard about that ?
It should be 813 ???

allenbrown · 22 Feb 2007, 00:06 (Ref:1847645)

813 would have become 913 when updated to 1969 spec.

AMICALEMANS · 22 Feb 2007, 20:16 (Ref:1849376)

Hello,

i have just finshed to wrote 7 pages (in french) about De Cadenet's car. i should now translate it in english. The story seems to be clear now, only mystery are about GLC 913 and SLG 781. But, i have a doubt about Colin Pool said to us : he said he bought LM4, and ran the car in some events. I found these events, but the car was named ADA !!!. So i am looking for picture...
Colin Poole (Pinguino) is still reading this thread ?

Thanks to him to answer.

driftwood · 22 Feb 2007, 20:37 (Ref:1849384)

have just finshed to wrote 7 pages (in french) about De Cadenet's car. i should now translate it in english. The story seems to be clear now, only mystery are about GLC 913 and SLG 781.the car is 1 car its title is not important i think the name was given just to fillout the ACO paper so it appeared to be adiffeent car from the year before as we know the cars are lolat380 then same car with modified body them thompson chassis car with lola t380 corners then next car is thompson chassis with t280 corners

But, i have a doubt about Colin Pool said to us : he said he bought LM4, and ran the car in some events. I found these events, but the car was named ADA !!!. the car was NEVER ADA car- the ad01 car was different car lola t390 tub with t 380 corners a bubble roof was fitted- car may look similar but it was a totally different car to de cad cars
So i am looking for picture...
Colin Poole (Pinguino) is still reading this thread he told me the car was sold to Martin Birrane and he bought direct form De cad the car had t280 bellhousing and uprights NOT t380 parts- they where used on t380 car LM2 and LM3- this car became the Ecosse 84 car now destroyed as is the ADA01 group c car so today Lola t380 hu1 exist and LM4 car

AMICALEMANS · 22 Feb 2007, 22:30 (Ref:1849459)

Yes Driftwood, i know about all things you wrote in red (it reminds me an old german teacher i got when i was young

)

But in his thread, Colin told us he entered twice the car in Thundersport events (Thruxton and Brands) on the link, drivers are correct, but LM4 was named ADA entered by ADA engineering !
http://wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/...under1985.html

Is Thundersports rules more tricky than ACO rules ? It is true that ACO accept that an entrant rename his car (Autoexe for an Riley Scott or a WR for example). So in Thruxton and Brands in 85, it was a De Cadenet LM4, ranning under the name of ADA 01 ! I will be pleased if anyone got some pictures !

I am not sure about what you said below(in fact GLC 913 was unknown by ACO for LM4)
"its title is not important i think the name was given just to fillout the ACO paper so it appeared to be adiffeent car from the year before"
i think they change the name of car in 1979 for political reason because of A de Cadenet. I remind you that Alain was well appreciate by ACO, but perhaps, as John Morrisson said, Simon Phillips was maybe in trouble with Alain !

Driftwood, i really appreciate to "speak" with you. I hope to see you with Allen, at Le Mans in june !

driftwood · 22 Feb 2007, 23:22 (Ref:1849486)

Yes Driftwood, i know about all things you wrote in red (it reminds me an old german teacher i got when i was young )

But in his thread, Colin told us he entered twice the car in Thundersport events (Thruxton and Brands) on the link, drivers are correct, but LM4 was named ADA entered by ADA engineering !ADA prepared the car for him to do the races not make new car or modify it to recreate car
http://wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/...under1985.html

Is Thundersports rules more tricky than ACO rules ?no it was Formule libre for sports cars It is true that ACO accept that an entrant rename his car (Autoexe for an Riley Scott or a WR for example). So in Thruxton and Brands in 85, it was a De Cadenet LM4, ranning under the name of ADA 01 ! I will be pleased if anyone got some pictures !ADA01 is a totally different car

I am not sure about what you said below(in fact GLC 913 was unknown by ACO for LM4)
"its title is not important i think the name was given just to fillout the ACO paper so it appeared to be adiffeent car from the year before" yes that would be the idea
i think they change the name of car in 1979 for political reason because of A de Cadenet. I remind you that Alain was well appreciate by ACO, but perhaps, as John Morrisson said, Simon Phillips was maybe in trouble with Alain !maybe they tought they do not want to be asocoaited with him especially if they had "problems" wiht A deC !!??

Driftwood, i really appreciate to "speak" with you. I hope to see you with Allen, at Le Mans in june !i have not been to any LM races maybe i can go to the classic event

AMICALEMANS · 22 Feb 2007, 23:39 (Ref:1849491)

Is Thundersports rules more tricky than ACO rules ?no it was Formule libre for sports cars It is true that ACO accept that an entrant rename his car (Autoexe for an Riley Scott or a WR for example). So in Thruxton and Brands in 85, it was a De Cadenet LM4, ranning under the name of ADA 01 ! I will be pleased if anyone got some pictures !ADA01 is a totally different car I know my dear ! ok wspr, saw ADA on a paper and they said that it is 01 (the minor) but in fact it is LM4 De Cadenet.

So now i will try to find the chassis number of the Loch Ness monster (lol)

I just repeat for all readers, any pics of this car in Thruxton or Brands ?
Now i will go skiing, so see you next week !

Good night Driftwood and many thanks

driftwood · 23 Feb 2007, 00:57 (Ref:1849530)

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-22-photo.html

foto here of the ADA 01 car IT IS NOT the de cad LM4 car

driftwood · 5 Mar 2007, 14:11 (Ref:1858943)

Autosport advert 2 October 1980
foro sale The De cadanet Le mans car is for sale
as used at LM 78 79 & 80
Canam 78 2nd silverstone 1979
coamplete car less engine £18k DFV @ £8k each
(thats a lot of money in 1980) at least 2 houses worth here maybe 3

Im guessing this car is LM4

allenbrown · 5 Mar 2007, 14:26 (Ref:1858955)

Now that is very useful indeed.

driftwood · 5 Mar 2007, 14:38 (Ref:1858961)

I happened upon it by chance

have y seen the foto it has FUS sponsor so i guess he sold the car to Martin Bros to run in Belga livery for the 81 season

i know colin pool said he bought the car from Alain directly in 83? ish

LM3 was with Morris in 7-80 and then Dorset racing for 81 season
later i will sift thru some more adverts
often more interesting than reading the race results!

Maybe u need to take me out some more
3 pints guinness and a curry will do for starters

Dan Rear · 5 Mar 2007, 15:44 (Ref:1858997)

DW, quite agree re AS adverts, v interesting at the time I found, even more so now !!!

AMICALEMANS · 6 Mar 2007, 07:13 (Ref:1859544)

What i think :

At the end of 1980, AdC was in discussion for the C100 program (design len bailey) and Ford told him that he will be choosen to run the C100. So he put the ads to sold LM4. But for political reason, the C100 program went to Zakspeed (a kind of battle between Ford UK and Ford Germany, and germany won just because the Ford motorsport manager was Michael Kranefuss, a german guy !) . The C100 was not readyuntil July 81 (delivery to Zakspeed). So i think that AdC do not sold LM4 and he rented it to Martin Bros for Le Mans 1981. I read somewhere, in english, that he "sold" it only for the race !

Glyn Parham will send me pictures from Brands and Thruxton 85 thundersport series, where Colin Poole "pinguino" entered LM4 in red livery as he said in a previous post. The car was entered as ADA 01 !!!! But i still believe it was LM4.

I am speaking about 1985, not 1984....

AMICALEMANS · 6 Mar 2007, 07:47 (Ref:1859557)

I read also on a report from Le Mans 1978 that LM4 has a longer wheelbase (some centimetres) than LM3. It was a preview of the race by Bob Constanduros.

So i hope that the pics from Glyn Parham (brands and Thruxton thundersports 85) will show a red open two seaters De Cadenet, so it will prove that it is LM4 as Colin Poole said, entered with an ADA name for unknown reason. Is Colin Poole, an old fellow from ADA Enginnering ?

allenbrown · 6 Mar 2007, 08:00 (Ref:1859563)

It's Pool, not Poole.

AMICALEMANS · 6 Mar 2007, 08:03 (Ref:1859564)

oK for Pool !

just have a look to this link :
http://www.classicscars.com/wspr/res...under1985.html

Same drivers as Colin Pool said in a previous post ! Confusing is'nt it !

driftwood · 6 Mar 2007, 09:13 (Ref:1859610)

I think the car entered for sam clepps is the true ADA 01 car NOT the LM4 de cad
Colin pool is entered in Chevron
if you look at photos on racing sports car site u can see many car photos

Colin had his own team Plumtree racing but i do not know who the spanner men where- his own or rented services
ADA had a race shop in west London so it is possible that Colin could have used their services to prepare the car as he lived in London
I will ask him

AMICALEMANS · 6 Mar 2007, 09:19 (Ref:1859615)

Was thundersports regulation accept cars with a roof ? I doubt !

We will see (i hope) with the pics from Glyn !

driftwood · 6 Mar 2007, 09:40 (Ref:1859634)

Thundersports was Libre racing for ANY sports car

Dan Rear · 6 Mar 2007, 15:28 (Ref:1859872)

Agreed and wan't it great!!! The entries and results on that site are just superb aren't they.

AMICALEMANS · 8 Mar 2007, 13:03 (Ref:1861432)

Still waiting for pics of Thundersports 85 with the red LM4.
But, you will find below a great find of Fausto (from aerogi forum) which show the "Morris Minor" with a Porsche engines and then with a Mazda RX7 engines !

I had never seen these pics before !

http://jefra.blog.siol.net/fotogalerija/

Dan Rear · 8 Mar 2007, 13:41 (Ref:1861455)

Is the driver featured Francy Jerancic? If so thats a v interesting pic of the ADA, also the Chevron FSV, a very rare B50 possibly.

AMICALEMANS · 8 Mar 2007, 13:49 (Ref:1861466)

Yes the driver is Francy Jerancic.
I dont know what is the other car :
Mister Fausto wrote on aerogi " the first pic of the ADA/Lola is of the version pictured on Autosport advertisment (still remember the livery)...OT the Audi is possibly the one raced by Stirling Moss in UK (early 80s), or by his team mate (and owner) Richard Lloyd...and FJ still in his 50s.... "

AMICALEMANS · 9 Mar 2007, 06:56 (Ref:1862062)

So sorry but Glyn did not find any picture of LM4, entered by Colin Pool and ADA ranning at Thruxton an Brands in 85 during a Thundersports event, so we know only that the car was red...

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