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10 Jan 2010, 11:01 (Ref:2610914)
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Yes, I'm sure I remember reports of MIL planning to run 3 Supras - a third car might have even appeared on an entry list at some point? but no more than two (plus a Corolla) ever appeared. I don't even know if a third car was ever built? One also appeared on the entry list for the Donington ETCC round for Alex Moss/Rad Dougall, but was a no-show http://www.racingsportscars.com/cove...988-04-17e.jpg Curiously (and I think this was discussed in the Supra thread) there was a late-season distraction of adapting one into a Group A tarmac rally car for Graham Middleton to drive on the Manx International- from memory there's a pic of the car in Autosport's rally report Last edited by KA; 10 Jan 2010 at 11:15. |
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Round 3 of 13 of the 1988 Dunlop RAC British Touring Car Championship held on Wednesday 2nd May 1988 over x laps on the x.xxx miles/3.791 km Thruxton circuit.
The book ”British Touring Car Racing in Camera”, pages 136-137 has a picture of the cars about to line up for the dummy grid, showing approcimately this formation: 1./ #6 / Steve Soper / Eggenberger-Texaco / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 2./ #22 / Andy Rouse / Rouse-Kaliber / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 3./ #15 / Graham Goode / Goode-Listerine / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 4./ #14 / Mike Newman / Goode-Burlington / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 5./ #4 / Dennis Leech / Leech-Demon Tweeks / A / Rover 3500 V8 Vitesse 6./ #7 / Mike O'Brien / Docking / A / Holden Commodore VL 7./ #10 / Robb Gravett / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 8./ #16 / Karl Jones / Asquith-Duckhams / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 9./ #21 / Guy Edwards / Rouse-Kaliber / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 10./ #8 / Jerry Mahony / Dowson-Arquati / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 11./ #33 / Frank Sytner / Richards-Mobil / B / BMW M3 12./ #19 / Laurence Bristow / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 13./ #5 / Tim Harvey / Drury / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 14./ #32 / Mike Smith / Richards-Mobil / B / BMW M3 15./ #17 / Bob Sands / CC-Crystal / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth 16./ #36 / Godfrey Hall / Maguire / B / BMW M3 17./ unknown 18./ #27 / Peter Buxtorf / Buxtorf / A / BMW 635CSi 19./ unknown 20./ #44 / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw-Demon Tweeks / B / BMW M3 The rest of the grid is impossible to read, but the Class C VW Golfs of James Shead and possible Andrew Jeffrey is visible as is the #63 Tony Crudgington class D Toyota Corolla. A white Ford Escort RS (1600i or Turbo?) is seen at what appears to be at the back. Class A: 1./ #6 / Steve Soper / Eggenberger-Texaco / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth / x laps / 23m32.64s 2./ #22 / Andy Rouse / ARE-Kaliber / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth / 24m08.11s 3./ #8 / Jerry Mahony / Dowson-Arquati / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth ? / #7 / Mike O'Brien / Docking-Swan / A / Holden Commodore VL / 4th in class ? / #5 / Tim Harvey / Drury-none? / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth / 5th in class ? / #16 / Karl Jones / Asquith-Duckhams / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth / 6th in class ? / #14 / Mike Newman / Goode-Burlington / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth / ? ? / #19 / Laurence Bristow / ARE-CAM / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth / ? ? / #4 / Dennis Leech / Leech-Demon Tweeks / A / Rover 3500 V8 Vitesse / DNF accident? DNF / #21 / Guy Edwards / ARE-Kaliber / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth DNF / #10 / Robb Gravett / ARE-? / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth / ? / #15 / Graham Goode / Goode-Listerine / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth ? / #17 / Bob Sands / CC Motorsport-Crystal / A / Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth ? / #27 / Peter Buxtorf (CH) / Buxtorf / A / BMW 635CSi Fastest lap: Andy Rouse Class B: ? / #33 / Frank Sytner / Richards-Mobil BMW / B / BMW M3 / 1st in class ? / #32 / Mike Smith / Richards-Mobil BMW / B / BMW M3 / 2nd in class ? / #36 / Godfrey Hall / Maguire / B / BMW M3 / 3rd in class ? / #44 / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw-Demon Tweeks / B / BMW M3 / 4th in class ? / #38 / Dave Wallis / Drury / B / Ford Escort RS Turbo / 5th in class Fastest lap: Mike Smith Class C: ? / #55 / James Shead / Maguire / C / VW Golf GTI 16V / 1st in class ? / #50 / John Brindley / Minshaw-Demon Tweeks / C / VW Golf GTI 16V / 2nd in class ? / #48 / Andrew Jeffrey / unknown-Specialist Cars Aberdeen / C / VW Golf GTI 16 / 3rd in class Fastest lap: John Brindley Class D: ? / #63 / Tony Crudgington / Crudgington / D / Toyota Corolla GT ? / #70 / Phil Dowsett / TOM's GB / D / Toyota Corolla FXGT ? / unknown DNS / #77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / Kimber-Smith / D / Toyota Corolla GT / Gearbox Fastest lap: Tony Crudgington Jesper Last edited by Jesper OH; 10 Jan 2010 at 11:59. Reason: Fastest lap added for class D |
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10 Jan 2010, 12:20 (Ref:2610962)
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7th - The new Holden Commodore delays grpA homologation. 500 examples weren't ready due to delays with components, and strikes. Steve Soper missed round 2 at Oulton Park - he was there but the car wasn't due to ferry strikes. Pete Hall retires from the BTCC, but intends to keep ICS backing on a Sierra for a younger driver. James Kaye may hand over his Golf to John Brindley, due to his commitments with Mazda in the Uniroyal championship, and Renault 5 Turbos. Phil Dowsett is hoping that Toyota will continue to support him, as the Corolla jointly leads the championship with Sytner's BMW. 14th - Trident Motorsport is to be launched imminently, to run "at least one" Maserati Biturbo. Sponsorship from Campari. The name Roger Eccles is linked with the project, and "there is no doubt that there is considerable potential to be extracted. It should be worth watching" (Autosport). [What else was Roger Eccles involved with?] Prodrive are due out in the Donington 500 ETC round, with Smith and Sytner partnered by Hoy and Weaver. Donington 500 – an ETC round, but features a few BTCC regulars (and irregulars) / April 21st news Sytner teams with Weaver to finish 2nd, Mike Smith and Will Hoy team to 3rd. Goode & Newman retire their RS500 after 47 laps (of 125) with head-gasket failure after Goode ran in the top 5 early on, even up to 2nd at one point. Soper / Dieudonne (78 laps, engine) and Win Percy / Allan Grice (95 laps, brakes) also fail to finish after featuring strongly. The Trident Motorsport Maserati will be run by Tony Gale, Campari’s UK importer has a 3-year option with the team, and ’88 is seen as a development year. The first car is in the UK having been built in Modena, and Nick May and John Lepp have been contracted for the season. TWR reckon they’ll have a new Holden at Thruxton on May 2nd after it’s homologated on May 1st. [Wishful thinking!] A grpA Rover Vitesse is advertised for £12k, due to lack of sponsor. Croydon / Orpington home number. An RST, ex-Longman, last used WTC Silverstone [suggests this is Alan Curnow car]. £9k. Contact number for Chelmsford. [Currently for a coach company in High Easter, I think] 28th - TOMs Toyota want to bring a Supra Turbo to the BTCC, but can’t find a suitable vehicle so Phil Dowsett continues in the Corolla for now. John Brindley confirmed in the Demon Tweeks Golf, in place of James Kaye. (see April 7th) Robb Gravett is confirmed for R3 at Thruxton in the ARE car vacated by Pete Hall. Hall said he wanted someone from a saloon background, but new to grpA. The Maserati was on its way back to Bologna after the press launch, to be finally prepped and tested by Nick May at Monza, then heading back to Britain for its debut at Thruxton. Stirling Moss had (incorrectly) been linked to the drive in European press, as he’d been at the press launch. |
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10 Jan 2010, 13:43 (Ref:2610998)
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News from Thruxton -
It was Guy Edwards first saloon race since he'd raced Minis a long time ago, the GGR cars had problems in qualifying with engine management (Goode) and front ARB breaking (Newman). Leeach's Rover was apparently untouched since the last round of '87. Mahony had engine and handling gremlins. Minshaw had reshelled his M3 and had a new Schnitzer engine. James Shead had a new block in his Golf. Vic Lee's Escort appearance was intended as a one-off. Phil Dowsett crashed his Corolla at Allard, badly damaging the car; it was fixed for the race, but goes some way to explaining his below-par qualifying. he also hit the back of Crudgington's car in the race, damaging the car further. In the race, Leech's Rover went in sideways at the chicane, at speed. [Didn't this require another reshell?] Mark Hales will partner Jerry Mahony in the 1-hour race at Donington. He mixed Thruxton due to Uniroyal commitments. Vice Lee is is linked to a Toyota drive later in the year. MIL had withdrawn their Supra from Thruxton to continue with its test programme; the team Corolla for Kevin Eaton was also missing, as was Nick May's Maserati. |
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10 Jan 2010, 13:59 (Ref:2611004)
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10 Jan 2010, 15:44 (Ref:2611038)
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I don't think Toyota Japan cared too much about the UK efforts. On one of the review videos (it must be the '87 highlights I got from MotorsTV a couple of years back) Hodgetts is bemoaning the lack of power in his Corolla. IIRC he says that the Japanese cars have 20bhp more, but he can't use the camshafts that they do. That might be down to regulations, rather than supply, but maybe Toyota wouldn't homologate the parts required? O'Brien's Holden was down on power for the first part of '88 because of the homologation problems.
And weren't Bemani developing Supras in Europe, too? So 3 seperate efforts? From the Thruxton grid, GKS lost his gearbox on the parade lap and didn't take the start, hence the empty slot. Vic Lee's clutch was broken from the start, and he was bump-started out of pit-lane. GKS's demise took class D starters down to 3, so less points on offer, even though 4 qualified and started the parade lap. Brindley had a slipping clutch in the race - possibly caused qually issues too? It got better in the race, and he took FL. RST for sale : Curnow / Jones shared a car at Silverstone WTC '87, and the Duckhams car would make sense, but the ad says it was last used at Silverstone WTC - it was the only Escort entered. Karl was out in the last two rounds of '87 BTCC, after that. Does anyone know which car was used? No picture on RSC, unfortunately. And where were Asquith / Curnow / Jones based? |
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May 12th -
Focussing on driver pairings for the Donington enduro. Guy Edwards to be joined by Johnny Dumfries, and David Sears (with previous experience in ARE Merkur XR4Tis) to pair with Rouse. Ratzenberger to pair with Minshaw in the Demon Tweeks M3 [and then took over the car for the season], with an in-car camera. John Brindley has John Llewellyn with him in the DT Golf. Win Percy and Allan Grice will give the Nissan GTS-R it's BTCC debut. |
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[QUOTE=Tim Wilkinson;2611038]I don't think Toyota Japan cared too much about the UK efforts. On one of the review videos (it must be the '87 highlights I got from MotorsTV a couple of years back) Hodgetts is bemoaning the lack of power in his Corolla. IIRC he says that the Japanese cars have 20bhp more, but he can't use the camshafts that they do. That might be down to regulations, rather than supply, but maybe Toyota wouldn't homologate the parts required? O'Brien's Holden was down on power for the first part of '88 because of the homologation problems.
And weren't Bemani developing Supras in Europe, too? So 3 seperate efforts? [QUOTE] And then there were the Belgian RAS Sport Turbo cars. Running in Bastos colours for selected 1987 races, then FINA for the 1988 Spa 24 h and still for sale by 1989 in these colours ..and 700 bhp available! By 1989 a Bloemer Motorsport Supra appeared for a few DTM races as well, making it four different approaches to the same basic car. Thank you for the notes, Tim, very usefull in getting a broader picture of what was happening. Jesper |
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From memory, there was a suggestion in one of the Fuji WTCC race reports (either Autosport or MN) that some of the local Japanese teams might have had access to parts that weren't available in Europe... Re Supras, if TOM'S GB had got one, it would have made 4 separate efforts in Europe alone- RAS Sport were still persevering with the car in Belgium, though I think they only appeared at Spa. Bemani went their own way, running the non-turbo 3-litre rather than the turbo. Still uncompetitive (about midfield ETCC M3 pace) but at least it was fairly reliable... From the Thruxton grid, GKS lost his gearbox on the parade lap and didn't take the start, hence the empty slot. Vic Lee's clutch was broken from the start, and he was bump-started out of pit-lane. GKS's demise took class D starters down to 3, so less points on offer, even though 4 qualified and started the parade lap. Brindley had a slipping clutch in the race - possibly caused qually issues too? It got better in the race, and he took FL. Thanks- that explains the absences from the grid photo in the book then- GK-S was parked somewhere out on the circuit with his broken gearbox, and the North Essex crew were pushing Vic Lee down the pitlane  RST for sale : Curnow / Jones shared a car at Silverstone WTC '87, and the Duckhams car would make sense, but the ad says it was last used at Silverstone WTC - it was the only Escort entered. Karl was out in the last two rounds of '87 BTCC, after that. Does anyone know which car was used? No picture on RSC, unfortunately. And where were Asquith / Curnow / Jones based?[/QUOTE] Can't remember where Asquith were based. I think the Autosport article comparing the Group A and Production Asquith RS Turbos might have mentioned which ex-Datapost car they had- I'll look it out. I see what you mean about the mention of it last being used at the TT,although there were 2 BTCC rounds after that date...I was sure it was the Duckhams car at the WTC race- Either they'd got it wrong in the ad, or Karl drove 2 different Group A RS Turbos that year? Another puzzle... |
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The TOM'S Corolla had 203bhp at the start of '88, apparently. Not bad from a 1600, I'll be lucky if my Nova has 60% of that! The '87 RSTs had 230bhp.
Sorry for creating more questions today - with that RST and the Commodore, everything's going out of whack. Of course, that's if we believe everything we read, which I don't think we can. The track test (I'd forgotten about it!) gives a couple of clues that makes me think that Asquith were based in West Kingsdown, by Brands. Jones' '87 car was Curnow's '86 Datapost entry (a Longman car). What happened to Longman's car from '86, and where did Mark Hales' car come from? More questions, haha! Last edited by Tim Wilkinson; 10 Jan 2010 at 17:06. |
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How many laps did Peter Buxtorf complete of the Thruxton round 3 race?
Recently saw a YouTube clip of the Dennis Leech crash, but can't find it now. Jesper |
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