[BTCC] BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[Sodemo]

Do these NGTC cars still have cockpit adjustable roll bars?

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Going back to a much earlier point raised about the Audi A3, according to posters here, it has one of the worst aero drag ratios, which is ironic when the old Audi A4 Quattro allegedly had one of the lowest aero drag ratios of the supertouring era.

Could the difference be that Audi themselves had a hand in the supertouring era but the NGTC car was originally developed by an inexperienced and rather small team - Rotek if I am remembering correctly.

[porsche962fan]

so we are half confirmed that Sutton returns with Laser Tools ?

[S griffin]

We don’t know. We haven’t heard what Moffat’s plans are for next year, so who knows what Sutton will do?

[Matt K]

But honestly I'd be surprised if the double-Infiniti program was dumped after a single year. Unless it'd be dictated by lack of money ofc.

[Racing Harz]

Why do you don´t use the 2021 Thread for that?

[billy bleach]

Question. When was the last time a FWD car won the overall Championship?.....

[Akrapovic]

2016 Gordon Shedden
2015 Gordon Shedden
2013 Andrew Jordan
2012 Gordon Shedden
2011 Matt Neal
2010 Jason Plato

etc

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

2016 Gordon Shedden
2015 Gordon Shedden
2013 Andrew Jordan
2012 Gordon Shedden
2011 Matt Neal
2010 Jason Plato

etc

...or lots. I can see Motorbase in genuine contention next year and hopefully the FK8's will be improved.

I do not believe RWD is in itself superior. If we removed Colin Turkington and Ash Sutton then who is going to get either of those cars to a championship win? Only Andy Jordan has looked seriously handy to my mind.

[billy bleach]

Lots but not since 2016 - just saying that’s all

[Akrapovic]

2010-2019 had 6 FWD and 4 RWD titles. Lets not pretend it's one sided.

[codename_47]

Proper racing cars are RWD so I'd be happier if the championship became RWD dominated than if it was a FWD one tbh

Just personal preference tbh

[Akrapovic]

lol gate keeping what proper racing cars are. Remarkable.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

2010-2019 had 6 FWD and 4 RWD titles. Lets not pretend it's one sided.

I AM JUST SAYING THE OVERALL HAS BEEN WON BY RWD SINCE 2017. THATS ALL. Christ some people on here could start a fight in a cuboard on there own!!!!!

[Akrapovic]

You asked a question. I'm sorry you don't like the answer, lol.

[Greem]

The overall championship has been won by a driver driving a car driving for a team - some works, some independent - since the inception of the championship. That's all, just saying, etc etc.

They also all had tyres.

Can someone let me out of this cupboard now? Please?

[codename_47]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

lol gate keeping what proper racing cars are. Remarkable.

Did you not see the part where I said it was personal preference, or did you just ignore it so you could create an argument?

Take your combative attitude and aim it elsewhere, you're not getting anything from me

You're free to enjoy whatever type of drive you want. I was just stating personal preference.

[Akrapovic]

Personal preference is all good. But trying to put down what other people like by saying they aren't proper race cars is where it goes beyond personal preference and it becomes gatekeeping elitism.

FWD race cars are proper race cars. They are especially proper touring cars. It is the entire backbone of touring car racing around the world. I also prefer RWD - and big honking V10s that make an astounding amount of noise. But that doesn't mean BTCC cars aren't proper racing cars

Some properly mental stuff gets said about the FWD/RWD stuff. I kinda wish TOCA would mandate it so we could get rid of the nonsense.

[Alfisti]

I'm a big rumbly growly V8 man personally. Preferably a Chevy with lots of shiny chromework and lots more noise. Obviously RWD.

But I do like a nice 4 cylinder rorty BTCC lump, and couldn't give a hoot whether the front wheels, rear wheels or left wheels are driven. And I still think that Dynamics built FK8 in the right hands could have had the championship last year or potentially this. Camm has come close, but I reckon Flash would have had it.

Can I come out the cupboard now, it's a bit bright in here with Greems orange clobber

[codename_47]

*Sigh* Then again I'll point to the part when I said it was my personal preference and not gate keeping at all

It was more in response to the chain of through about a supposed bias towards one type of drive train or the other, sort of like a IF I HAD TO kind of mental puzzle

If it ends up through natural selection of the teams, that one drive train ends up being favoured over the other, then I'd rather it was RWD than FWD

But tbh I like the diversity of the championship, different cars with different strengths at different ends of the race. I've been a bit miffed about the continual penalisation of RWD this season, particularly now FWD can outdrag them at starts (c'mon! some cars have some advantages in some areas and weaknesses in others, that's what makes for good racing!) but I wouldn't change the makeup of the BTCC for the world.

Long may it continue

[billy bleach]

So Boris banning ICE by 2030? 9 seasons left......

[antnee]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

So Boris banning ICE by 2030? 9 seasons left......

BTCC cars don't meet emissions regulations for road cars today, so it won't have much impact in 9 years time.

[S griffin]

I wonder why they went off the idea of biofuel? That would be better and in my view it would be better than petrol, but not necessarily better than diesel, although the latter should only be on racing trucks, it sounds awful in a car, but I think racing has gone off that idea anyway, so it don’t matter

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by antnee

BTCC cars don't meet emissions regulations for road cars today, so it won't have much impact in 9 years time.

Except ICE will be irrelevant and no sponsor will want to be part of it ....

[GT6]

Well not sure how electric car racing will be in 10 years time but suspect i will not be that interested in it, plenty of classic racing to watch by then i hope