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Old 25 Sep 2017, 14:58 (Ref:3769755)   #31
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No, he was the 2014 FIA Formula 3 champion.
That was Ocon. Max was 3rd.
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 15:12 (Ref:3769756)   #32
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 15:46 (Ref:3769762)   #33
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So I think if these current rules had been in play historically Kimi wouldn't have been able to start his debut, nor Massa. Alonso I think would have been cutting it a little fine (4th in F3000 and FNissan champion?). They all turned out OK.

I don't like the rules, as they are trying to make it too black and white. I think a great example is Kobayashi - wouldn't have got near a superlicence with his junior formulae results but proved to be more than capable in F1.

I'd prefer to see some kind of waivers, allowing for a minimum number of starts in F2/F3 and having demonstrated suitable pace in testing/FP1 for a set number of KM - about like the old rule.
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 16:11 (Ref:3769764)   #34
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Yes, and I disagree with that. F1 drivers should be experienced and successful in junior formula racing.



I think that F1 should forbid under-21 drivers.
Why?
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 16:25 (Ref:3769767)   #35
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I don't see why there should be any rules just let the teams pick who they wish, a bit of variety would be welcome as everything is so prescriptive.
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 17:52 (Ref:3769780)   #36
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Max just proves that it is talent that is important and the stupid points system is a total waste of everyone's time, in my book.
Yes.

This is just another one of those things that makes me think that the FIA should stop listening to others.
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Yes.

This is just another one of those things that makes me think that the FIA should stop listening to others.
It seems like the teams are children, they don't want the others to have it but can't stop themselves. Or kids and candy, need a rule to stop them or they'll eat it all and regret it later.

I can see the rule for making a driver 'qualify' for a license, we can all agree there have been a few TERRIBLE F1 drivers in the past and not so distant past. But in terms of teams selecting drivers, the FIA ended up doing what is a fool's errand; writing a rule for the exception. And because the teams want now, not that I blame them but now often bites later on the ass.
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 20:19 (Ref:3769807)   #38
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By others I meant the media and fan bleating at the time.

FWIW (i.e. Should be ignored by the FIA) I don't think there should be a rule on championship positions of other series. I'd have the minimum criteria that the FIA has the right to grant or deny a superlicence after judgement.

I'm probably for experience guidelines rather than results. With maybe a stipulation of testing mileage. The issue shouldn't be whether the driver has won stuff as the better driver, or one with most promise, becomes attractive anyway. They can be judged on this by those who would employ the; who raced what, when, against who, in which team, etc...

However some experience is good whatever. The issue is being used to the cars and also track awareness for safety and not to get in the way. It's a little like a super-ARDS. You don't get a racing licence by setting quick times, you get it by showing you can drive sensibly, smoothly and pay attention to instruction, others around you and showing you can be in control. The quick times can come later after you've shown your not a liability.
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However some experience is good whatever. The issue is being used to the cars and also track awareness for safety and not to get in the way. It's a little like a super-ARDS. You don't get a racing licence by setting quick times, you get it by showing you can drive sensibly, smoothly and pay attention to instruction, others around you and showing you can be in control. The quick times can come later after you've shown your not a liability.
And that is exactly what I meant when I used the phrase " racing etiquette" in my earlier post.
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By others I meant the media and fan bleating at the time.

FWIW (i.e. Should be ignored by the FIA) I don't think there should be a rule on championship positions of other series. I'd have the minimum criteria that the FIA has the right to grant or deny a superlicence after judgement.

I'm probably for experience guidelines rather than results. With maybe a stipulation of testing mileage. The issue shouldn't be whether the driver has won stuff as the better driver, or one with most promise, becomes attractive anyway. They can be judged on this by those who would employ the; who raced what, when, against who, in which team, etc...

However some experience is good whatever. The issue is being used to the cars and also track awareness for safety and not to get in the way. It's a little like a super-ARDS. You don't get a racing licence by setting quick times, you get it by showing you can drive sensibly, smoothly and pay attention to instruction, others around you and showing you can be in control. The quick times can come later after you've shown your not a liability.
Perfect sense Adam.
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It's a hard one when you consider Kimi came from F.Renault UK and did ok
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Old 26 Sep 2017, 15:51 (Ref:3769976)   #42
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Wouldn't it be simpler if you just applied to the FIA for a superlicence and they said yes or no?
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Wouldn't it be simpler if you just applied to the FIA for a superlicence and they said yes or no?
By far the best response!!
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Wouldn't it be simpler if you just applied to the FIA for a superlicence and they said yes or no?
Yes but under what criteria does the FIA grant the super licence, 2 examples.

Mr "My Daddy is loaded" who is buying his drives in the best teams of that category, but is average at best when the race starts.
A smaller team is interested in Mr "My Daddy is loaded" as selling their 2nd seat would help their budget massively.

Or Mr "Natural Talent" who has worked damn hard finding my own sponsors get this far. He doesn't have a lot of backing, but the bigger teams are interested in seeing if he has what it takes. The chances are however that he may only get a few tests and possibly be farmed out as a third driver as part of an engine deal and get an FP1 or two if he's very lucky.
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Old 26 Sep 2017, 23:26 (Ref:3770034)   #45
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Given these "stupid" rules, neither Mr DiResta or Mr Kubica should have been / should be allowed to drive in F1.

Still there is the special exception clause.
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