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24 Jul 2017, 07:34 (Ref:3753884) | #601 | |
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Zak Brown is a 'salesman', he made his fortune cutting sponsorship deals, he knows that he needs something to sell and that you can only trade on McLaren's heritage, past record and facilities for so long before you need the prospect of results, challenging for wins/titles to get new deals.
Of course it is an equation for McLaren - do they stick with Honda and a) hope they improve and b) continue to virtually fund the team and make up the ongoing shortfall from the loss of FOM income due to their WCC position? Or do they cut loose, get a more proven engine, hope they bolt it into a great car, manage to keep Alonso and let him do his magic and hope that translates into sufficient sponsorship to replace Honda's investment. Worth remembering (and I am sure this in the back of ZB's mind) that allegedly the start of RD's downfall was around sponsorship, the lack of it and then his insistence that McLaren didn't need sponsorship as it could be funded by the McLaren Group - something that didn't chime with his other shareholders and ultimately started the process that saw him exit. |
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In my opinion if they somehow match Red Bull by 2019 I would consider it a success cause current engine specs were rigged by Mercedes who even threatened to pull out of the caravan if those proposed specs didn't turn out to be official specs. That's whole another story of Mercedes having the technology ready, lobbying for it and then presenting it as remarkable outside the box thinking compared to other teams And charge the customers through the nose for de-rated engines, that nobody else is interested in developing. Yeah they are just all about the sport! Did you see this at 1min 05 with Eddie Jordan and Bob Fernley! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOwFzhUwGHA ...and they let their drivers race one another because it is in the interests of the sport! Last edited by wnut; 24 Jul 2017 at 08:30. |
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Speaking of which, have they signed anyone since Ron departed.
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24 Jul 2017, 14:14 (Ref:3753951) | #606 | |
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With Zac Brown being a marketing type, and with honda in both IndyCar and f1, if he's somewhat stuck with or committed to Honda for next year, he should try to swap Alonso and someone like Scott Dixon from IndyCar for next year and create attention (some positive for Honda) for both series where honda is spending money. Give Alonso a championship caliber drive in IndyCar for a year while Honda sorts thkngs out, and create curiosity as to how an indycar champ could do in f1, albeit in a weak car. He could still compete for points and against his teammate. The added cost for Honda is a drop in a bucket for an IndyCar drive. But it keeps Alonso in the fold for when (if) their car comes on in f1.
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not that i can recall but they were the subject of a very well played april fools day joke.
https://badgergp.com/mclaren-honda-s...nsorship-deal/ |
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Scott Dixon is 37 years old now, would be both a rookie *nd the oldest driver in the field bar Raikkonen and has abolutely nothing to gain. Scott is worth more than that. He'll compete in Indycar for a few more seasons and win some more races (and maybe titles) |
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And as far as the sponsorship goes McLaren is still the 4th best paid team on the grid when it comes to sponsors. I think they get three times more money than Williams and two times more than Renault. |
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Indycar stalwarts aren't on any F1 radar.
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Hopefully McLaren can help find a partner to bring back the Ilmor-McLaren magic for a 2021 engine......just need a manufacturer to badge it......JLR/Ford/GM/VW as a punt....or perhaps an asian OEM???....or just get a fizzy-pop energy drink maker to badge it.
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It's not just a matter of someone badging it, it's someone ponying up serious cash to fund it. But it was interesting what Ilien was saying about it not needing to be a car manufacturer. A McLaren-Apple? A McLaren-Dell?
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yes, thats the rather obvious elephant in the room.......in F1 Sponsors are called "partners".....so in other words whos got 50-100 million to splash on an F1 engine program?.....probably not a vehicle manufacturer......but probably someone like Apple/Monster-energy/TAG/Rebellion/ORIS/HAAS/Mobil/Shell......probably someone non-automotive
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McLaren will stick with Honda next year, in the desperate hope that the Japanese eventually get it right and close the gap. Will Honda still be in F1 in 2021? I'm less sure. Will McLaren..?
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