[WEC] Ginetta LMP1

[Turbodcc]

Good honest assessment,

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...-fuji/4529366/

[GT6]

Well it was good to see them race at silverstone and i wish them luck in the next race

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Turbodcc

Good honest assessment,

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...-fuji/4529366/

I guess I would have thought that they would hire a crew with experience to help run their cars but it sounds like they used their actual staff who aren't used to being in the garage for this type of event.

[Adam43]

That’s kind of cool. I’m not going to criticise them for that.

[TF110]

Their top speed will be one to look for at Fuji. They definitely have that in hand. Hope they challenge.

[S griffin]

They certainly seem more competitive than last season, so the signs are encouraging for the season ahead

[nobster]

Toyota wil win easy on all tracks, they sandbagged qualifying and weren't they even faster in raceconditions?

[joeb]

Originally Posted by nobster

Toyota wil win easy on all tracks, they sandbagged qualifying and weren't they even faster in raceconditions?

No, they were slower on slicks in the rain than Rebellion was on wets in the rain

[TF110]

Originally Posted by nobster

Toyota wil win easy on all tracks, they sandbagged qualifying and weren't they even faster in raceconditions?

I don't know what you mean but Toyota did a 1:35.9** in qualifying. In the race they set a 1:37.289 on lap 8. I don't think they sandbagged when they were a second faster than last year even though they were 40 some kg heavier. I was surprised that the Ginetta was able to get a 1:37 in qualifying because they are bringing a new car basically and have no experience with it on the tracks they are to run.

[claude2cv]

A Ginetta LMP1 car was delivered to a customer yesterday. I will not get to try it at the slot car club until next week😊

[GT6]

Originally Posted by claude2cv

A Ginetta LMP1 car was delivered to a customer yesterday. I will not get to try it at the slot car club until next week😊

Well what livery did it have, the silverstone one or something different

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by GT6

Well what livery did it have, the silverstone one or something different

Take your pick:

https://www.scalextric.com/uk-en/cat...ult/?q=ginetta

[claude2cv]

Originally Posted by GT6

Well what livery did it have, the silverstone one or something different

The shiny blue one 😊 It does look good shame I will have to wait a while for a suitable class to face in

[Deleted]

Ginetta officially does not care any longer

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...paign=widget-1

Ginetta boss Lawrence Tomlinson told Motorsport.com that he no longer has an appetite to run the LMP1 cars in the WEC next year.

"In terms of racing the cars ourselves in the WEC, that ship has sailed," he said. "I do things that make me money or make me happy, and racing in the WEC does neither."

[helgi]

When you think that FIA and ACO are at the deepest level - they just crash another bottom and sink further into the place where sun doesn't shine.

[Deleted]

Yes but running neutered, butchered P1 cars in 2021 was always just about as bad idea as was the theoretical possibility of running neutered GT1 cars in 2011 GTE-AM

I guess if you are Chris Dyson with cash it might make sense to enter Le Mans next year even with horribly slowed down Ginetta, given it's possible the new out of shelf Toyotas and Glickenhaus might explode with gremlins and give the trophy for best of the rest, but you might just as well achieve the same with Oreca 07. AER's track record is still terrible despite SMP Dallara managing podium last year

[helgi]

It all started in a very intriguing way, with a Mecachrome deal. It could be a real old school cross-classes cooperation and not only chassis but an engine development story. But...
I really feel so sorry for journalists who still try their best writing anything "technical" about racing.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by helgi

It all started in a very intriguing way, with a Mecachrome deal. It could be a real old school cross-classes cooperation and not only chassis but an engine development story. But...
I really feel so sorry for journalists who still try their best writing anything "technical" about racing.

Agree

With Mechachrome and the rest of the combinations in mind, in the end Le Mans 2018 was probably the final time there was a true, rich and pure constructors tech competition in sportscar racing... even though technically even that race was messed up with Toyota's forced-in stint advantage that resulted in penalties if not followed... Le Mans 2019 and to lesser extent 2020 now show the very last remnants of what there once was but essentially it is all over.

Racecar Engineering magazine, I'm unsure what the point of that publication is anymore, other than purely for discussing some aspects of Formula 1

Speaking of Chris Dyson, it's kind of interesting to have one man here who was there racing at the the final fall of LMP1 in America, and now showing up at the very end of worldwide LMP1 collapse too. In both cases making room for much more simplistic show cars, first for remnant dinosauric Grand-Am tube framers and their LMP2-based spec successors, and now for the panic-driven mess FIA and ACO have come up with in attempt to please everyone, yet in actuality pleasing very few

[helgi]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Speaking of Chris Dyson, it's kind of interesting to have one man here who was there racing at the the final fall of LMP1 in America, and now showing up at the very end of worldwide LMP1 collapse too. In both cases making room for much more simplistic show cars, first for remnant dinosauric Grand-Am tube framers and their LMP2-based spec successors, and now for the panic-driven mess FIA and ACO have come up with in attempt to please everyone, yet pleasing very few

His racing career recollections would be worth reading. I would definitely buy it. Not saying about Ginetta's vision of modern racing landscape falling into some sort of communism (everything is standard but shifty persons still manage to live way better than 90% of others, and journalists are scared to write about it openly).

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by helgi

His racing career recollections would be worth reading. I would definitely buy it. Not saying about Ginetta's vision of modern racing landscape falling into some sort of communism (everything is standard but shifty persons still manage to live way better than 90% of others, and journalists are scared to write about it openly).

They would be... I wonder if he 'disappears' again once this is over

I guess it's understandable why the industry sportscar journalists don't want to talk about the shadiness of it all, because you know they want to be employed and invited to places in the future too. And as for the mainstream media, they and most of their readers don't care about sportscar racing in the first place, so there's no incentive to talk about the cartel business models of Hughes de Chaunac and alike, nor of political courtrooms where most things are decided today instead on race tracks

[helgi]

All in all a sad situation. Maybe Ginetta will be able to turn to their "garagist" roots and supply more chassis for club racing or national level events. For example, I would have watched Italian Prototype championship if it wasn't a one make series. I have nothing against Wolf but some competition won't hamper them.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by helgi

All in all a sad situation. Maybe Ginetta will be able to turn to their "garagist" roots and supply more chassis for club racing or national level events. For example, I would have watched Italian Prototype championship if it wasn't a one make series. I have nothing against Wolf but some competition won't hamper them.

Yes, let's remember that when Ginetta joined ACO racing in 2015, they were open to construct their own independent chassis in P1, P2 and P3. In addition, they were allowed to insert whatever engine and tires they would have wished on P1 and P2 cars. There was a clear dynamic hierarchy in constructors prototype racing - LMP1 you could do whatever you wanted, in P2 quite a bit of what you wanted (relatively speaking even if they had frozen cost cap rules already), and then you had junior entry level class in P3 (which was fine at the time because the other two classes above still allowed freedom).

Yet mere half a decade later the only class they can continue to compete is a frozen spec class of P3 - And even that is because they've struck exclusivity circle deal with the ACO. That is unless they wish to build LMH bop wagon, which they won't, or insert aesthetic and bopped body parts on LMP2 car other people made and sticker rebrand it as Ginetta LMDH, which they don't.

I've probably told you this earlier already but I strongly urge you to follow Thunderhill 25 Hours this December (if it's run) because it's one of the only puristic sportscar races left on the planet without ludicrous bop and spec rules. The margins between winning cars are massive and you have all sorts of weird stuff there, plus exotics of yesteryear such as Lola LMP2 the last time around. Streaming coverage has also improved over the years

[helgi]

Originally Posted by Chiana

I've probably told you this earlier already but I strongly urge you to follow Thunderhill 25 Hours this December (if it's run) because it's one of the only puristic sportscar races left on the planet without ludicrous bop and spec rules. The margins between winning cars are massive and you have all sorts of weird stuff there, plus exotics of yesteryear such as Lola LMP2 the last time around. Streaming coverage has also improved over the years

It's on my watch list for sure. I just do not want to make any firm plans (even for online streaming) as it usually goes horribly wrong when I try to predict anything.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by helgi

It's on my watch list for sure. I just do not want to make any firm plans (even for online streaming) as it usually goes horribly wrong when I try to predict anything.

Know the feeling...

[Napolis]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Yes but running neutered, butchered P1 cars in 2021 was always just about as bad idea as was the theoretical possibility of running neutered GT1 cars in 2011 GTE-AM

I guess if you are Chris Dyson with cash it might make sense to enter Le Mans next year even with horribly slowed down Ginetta, given it's possible the new out of shelf Toyotas and Glickenhaus might explode with gremlins and give the trophy for best of the rest, but you might just as well achieve the same with Oreca 07. AER's track record is still terrible despite SMP Dallara managing podium last year

We were looking a AER but in the end decided on Pipo.
Endurance test run on 4CYL development engine went very well.
Final 8CYL version will be testing soon.