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Old 27 Jul 2019, 09:11 (Ref:3919537)   #76
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Mercedes-Benz EQS - although can a car described as a 'plush new EQS electric saloon' be classed as a saloon if it has a liftback bootlid?
It won’t be the first ‘luxury saloon’ to feature a hatchback, currently the Tesla Model S comes to mind, and think the Skoda Superb is also a hatch. But perhaps the Skoda isn’t a ‘luxury car’!
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Old 29 Jul 2019, 18:37 (Ref:3920271)   #77
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Audi A5?
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Old 29 Jul 2019, 20:06 (Ref:3920290)   #78
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Audi A5?
Comes in Coupe, Cabriolet and Hatchback (Sportback) variants in the UK.

Is not for sale in the UK as a Saloon, unsure of elsewhere though?
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Old 30 Jul 2019, 20:10 (Ref:3920441)   #79
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In German, sedan is called Stufenhecklimousine, and hatchback is called Schräghecklimousine. So Limousine means "a normal car, you know, not a coupé, cabrio or van". It seems Mercedes-Benz translated it to saloon.
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Old 30 Jul 2019, 21:26 (Ref:3920457)   #80
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In German, sedan is called Stufenhecklimousine, and hatchback is called Schräghecklimousine. So Limousine means "a normal car, you know, not a coupé, cabrio or van". It seems Mercedes-Benz translated it to saloon.
In English a sedan is called a saloon. So Sedan means "a saloon car, you know, not a coupe, cabrio, van or hatchback". It seems Audi translated hatchback to sportback for the A5.

Either way, the A5 is not a saloon or sedan. Or a 轿车, седан, or even a מכונית.
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Can a car that is called a coupe, and based on a small family hatchback, also be a luxury sedan?
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Can a car that is called a coupe, and based on a small family hatchback, also be a luxury sedan?
A definite no from my perspective!
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Old 18 Oct 2019, 06:23 (Ref:3935330)   #84
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Can a car that is called a coupe, and based on a small family hatchback, also be a luxury sedan?
... and having 4 passenger doors can it be called a coupe? To me a coupe is two doors.
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... and having 4 passenger doors can it be called a coupe? To me a coupe is two doors.
If I had booked a Luxury Saloon or a Coupe as a hire car, I would be more than disappointed if given what is essentially a hatchback!
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... and having 4 passenger doors can it be called a coupe? To me a coupe is two doors.

Yet 4 door coupes have a long history. My mind springs back immediately to the Rover P5 Coupe, but I am sure there were others too, and probably before the Rover.

Essentially, all the car needs to become a coupe is to have a roof that slopes down a bit at the rear!. Or, so it seems to me!
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Yet 4 door coupes have a long history. My mind springs back immediately to the Rover P5 Coupe, but I am sure there were others too, and probably before the Rover.

Essentially, all the car needs to become a coupe is to have a roof that slopes down a bit at the rear!. Or, so it seems to me!
Hehehe I did not think about the Rover, but I did think about the XJ12C and always thought were fabulous..... and 2 door.

I had seen pics online of a 2 door P5, but discovered that was a conversion made for the owner of the car, then the Chairman of the P5 Club.

In fact Google just found me this, with pics and details of ADAM as the car was known .: https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C505069

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Essentially, all the car needs to become a coupe is to have a roof that slopes down a bit at the rear!. Or, so it seems to me!
I think that the different categories are quite clear between cars:

Q1 - Does the rear window form part of the rear opening?
No - it's a saloon
Yes - Go to Q2

Q2 - Can you access the main compartment from the rear opening by folding down the rear seats?
Yes - it's a hatchback (3 or 5 door)
No - It's a coupe (2 or 4 door)
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I think that the different categories are quite clear between cars:

I'm sorry, I was just giving my own personal observation, not trying to give a legal definition. And anyway, who is it that decides on the definition/categories?
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BMW 2 Series Gran Coupé

4.53 m long
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Front or four wheel drive


That's an ugly car (and doesn't look like a BMW - looks like a bit like the MG6)

That front bumper is awful - what's going on with bumper design at the moment? They all seem overly fussy, lots of wierd angular shapes - there must be a reason for that? (The Civic is also guilty of this). Also the way the A-pillar meets the wing looks all wrong (but that's down to the bonnet being all off as well). The whole front end of that thing is all over the place.
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