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Old 4 Sep 2019, 01:34 (Ref:3925682)   #1
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The P word strikes again

Story here:

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/04...en-commodores/

and

https://www.supercars.com/news/champ...d-of-pukekohe/

Roland Dane complains again even though his team being beaten by other Holdens.
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 02:04 (Ref:3925685)   #2
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Story here:

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/04...en-commodores/

and

https://www.supercars.com/news/champ...d-of-pukekohe/

Roland Dane complains again even though his team being beaten by other Holdens.
There has never been so many parity adjustments in one season in supercars history, this has become straight out cheating by the governing body and highlights the collusion between holden teams and supercars.
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 02:10 (Ref:3925687)   #3
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spot on bluesport and also highlights just how much power Roland Dane wields over Supercars
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 03:07 (Ref:3925691)   #4
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Championship is gone but still the big prize of Bathurst up for grabs.

Supercars would want to get their act together for next year I think.
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 03:33 (Ref:3925694)   #5
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I love a good strawman argument.
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 04:59 (Ref:3925697)   #6
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It's a parity series, yet people are still surprised when parity is applied?
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 05:12 (Ref:3925698)   #7
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Its always been a parity series but I cant remember a manufacturer getting so many bites at the cherry during the racing season.
I think one adjustment per year should be sufficient.
Supercars have created this monster by allowing the Mustang to be so far removed from the road car in the first place in order to get Ford back in the series, and now have to appease the opposition.
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 06:08 (Ref:3925703)   #8
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It's a parity series, yet people are still surprised when parity is applied?
Taking wild stabs at changes without the proper airfield testing is hardly applying parity.

The time to establish parity is at the start of the year at the airfield test. It was done and dusted, parity was confirmed and that was that.

The next time to change aero kits is at the start of 2020 where revised kits can be brought along to the next airfield parity test.

Making wild stabs at in-season changes, without doing the airfield testing to confirm parity, is farcical.
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 06:25 (Ref:3925706)   #9
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It's a parity series
Someone let Nissan know...
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 06:28 (Ref:3925707)   #10
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Taking wild stabs at changes without the proper airfield testing is hardly applying parity.

The time to establish parity is at the start of the year at the airfield test. It was done and dusted, parity was confirmed and that was that.

The next time to change aero kits is at the start of 2020 where revised kits can be brought along to the next airfield parity test.

Making wild stabs at in-season changes, without doing the airfield testing to confirm parity, is farcical.
The airfield testing was farcical, which is why the category is doing what it's doing.

But you knew that...
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Someone let Nissan know...
The brand has to make a submission to the Supercar Commission to detail where the deficiencies lie, and the plans and methods to overcome them.

If you dont ask, you dont get....

That said, 4 aero kit setups in 7 years of the exact same body shape suggests someone may need a new slide rule...
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 07:10 (Ref:3925716)   #12
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If you dont ask, you dont get....
So it's not a parity series then, it's a "lobbying" series.
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 07:20 (Ref:3925717)   #13
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The airfield testing was farcical
Nonsense. It's the gold standard of aero parity in the Supercars series and works well.

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You donít have to be a rocket scientist to see that the Commodore has got a disadvantage over the Mustang, full stop.
https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/08/26...-disadvantage/

Making unfounded allegations like that is not how you go motor racing. Especially since the allegations are patently untrue as the season-start airfield test confirmed aero parity precisely in line with Supercars requirements for aero parity.

The best thing 888 could do is be quiet and humble, and get on with the job of designing a revised aero ZB Commodore for 2020 that hits the parity downforce and drag numbers at 200 km/hr of the airfield test, while enabling whatever other aero performance changes they want.

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which is why the category is doing what it's doing.

Making changes without confirming that aero parity still exists (which is defined as equivalent downforce and drag at 200 km/hr) by the gold standard Supercars airfield test is what the farce is.

Making changes willy nilly without verifying parity remains by an airfield test is the farce.
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Old 4 Sep 2019, 07:25 (Ref:3925718)   #14
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That gold standard got the cars as close as they've ever been, so I definitely support sticking to it
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Nonsense. It's the gold standard of aero parity in the Supercars series and works well.

Roland Dane says:

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/08/26...-disadvantage/

Making unfounded allegations like that is not how you go motor racing. Especially since the allegations are patently untrue as the season-start airfield test confirmed aero parity precisely in line with Supercars requirements for aero parity.

The best thing 888 could do is be quiet and humble, and get on with the job of designing a revised aero ZB Commodore for 2020 that hits the parity downforce and drag numbers at 200 km/hr of the airfield test, while enabling whatever other aero performance changes they want.




Making changes without confirming that aero parity still exists (which is defined as equivalent downforce and drag at 200 km/hr) by the gold standard Supercars airfield test is what the farce is.

Making changes willy nilly without verifying parity remains by an airfield test is the farce.
No point responding with paragraphs.

My care factor for the whole thing is pretty low.
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