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Old 18 Apr 2018, 12:22 (Ref:3816344)   #26
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Be interesting to see who the bidders are and whether the teams themselves might buy back the farm.
I suspect most teams live hand to mouth and won't have the odd $10 million knocking around ......
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Old 18 Apr 2018, 12:38 (Ref:3816349)   #27
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I suspect most teams live hand to mouth and won't have the odd $10 million knocking around ......
They only have to outbid the next bidder...
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Old 18 Apr 2018, 22:22 (Ref:3816431)   #28
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Public interest in the product and the popularity of the product surely has an effect on the sale price doesn't it?



What did the future look like for CART in 2000? (Or Global Rallycross up until last night?)
CART had hugely popular events, four major motor manufacturers backing it, professional teams and big sponsors, and look at where it was in 2003.

Having Ford back involved is great, but it hardly secures the future of the series in any way, shape or form.
Not sure you can compare CART with supercars....population of Oz 25 mill...population of US 300 mill.

add to that the the yanks love their cars racing ie more 300k to a race day.


then you can see the payback of getting a depressed asset going again in the states will give a much greater return.

The issue here is that a racing series with one marque will not have any following.

But again...the public arent the people purchasing....it will be business people and business people are looking for a return on their investment
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 12:43 (Ref:3816494)   #29
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But again...the public arent the people purchasing....it will be business people and business people are looking for a return on their investment
Does it look like the current owner got a return on investment?
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 15:18 (Ref:3816518)   #30
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Does it look like the current owner got a return on investment?
No one here can say they didn't. Looks deceive etc......
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Old 19 Apr 2018, 21:43 (Ref:3816565)   #31
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Does it look like the current owner got a return on investment?
its been suggested that the foxtel deal meant the team got around $500,000 each. at 26 teams and 35% ownership that meant the yearly profit was $35 Million for the group.
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Old 17 Jul 2019, 23:21 (Ref:3918251)   #32
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Any truth to the current talk being spread by a certain podcast that Morris, Dane and two Malaysian investors are poised to purchase Archer's share of Supercars?
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Old 17 Jul 2019, 23:39 (Ref:3918257)   #33
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Any truth to the current talk being spread by a certain podcast that Morris, Dane and two Malaysian investors are poised to purchase Archer's share of Supercars?
Even if its a rumour I think I might have to delete Facebook now, the meltdown to come from Penske fans. OMG

Archer at the end of the day is in the business of buying and selling, so it will come one day.
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 00:48 (Ref:3918266)   #34
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Any truth to the current talk being spread by a certain podcast that Morris, Dane and two Malaysian investors are poised to purchase Archer's share of Supercars?
Roland Dane is definitely up to something, he has been working pretty hard on softening his public image of late, it's been very 'orchestrated'.

Interesting times if Roland buys the keys to the series.
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 05:38 (Ref:3918277)   #35
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Manufacturers cannot own teams, but a team owner can part-own the series?
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 06:14 (Ref:3918280)   #36
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Manufacturers cannot own teams, but a team owner can part-own the series?
He already does, through a legal entity with business partners.
So does Mr Nash and Mr French and co.
And Mr Webb.
And Mr Bright.
And Mr Kelly & Mr Kelly...

And so on and so forth...
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 06:28 (Ref:3918283)   #37
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 08:04 (Ref:3918300)   #38
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Manufacturers cannot own teams, but a team owner can part-own the series?
You had to be the first, didn't you?
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 20:08 (Ref:3918394)   #39
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He already does, through a legal entity with business partners.
So does Mr Nash and Mr French and co.
And Mr Webb.
And Mr Bright.
And Mr Kelly & Mr Kelly...

And so on and so forth...


Something which should never have been allowed to happen
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 21:53 (Ref:3918405)   #40
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Hmmm - debatable and like everything in life, the teams being shareholders in the business has its pros and cons.

Far too late to consider putting it back in the bag now, been the case for over 20 years and I can't see any of the teams being prepared to step back out of having at least some part in the business and a (voting) seat at the table.
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Old 19 Jul 2019, 04:48 (Ref:3918418)   #41
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Something which should never have been allowed to happen
Except it has been in place since Level 1 and Level 2 Franchise Licence Agreements since the mid 1990's... the opening up to outside equity from Archer fragmented the equity position of each newly minted Racing Entitlements Contract holder just a little more.

Made sense then, still makes sense now. Skin in the game...
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Old 19 Jul 2019, 08:01 (Ref:3918432)   #42
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Why should Mr Dane and his cohorts be elegible for the (65%) controlling stake though?

No conflict of interest issue there at all?
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Old 19 Jul 2019, 08:09 (Ref:3918434)   #43
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AusGT has been owned by competitors several times.

Australian Super Touring Championship was.

Australian Production Car Series is.

Aussie Racing Cars...
It's nothing new.
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So all okay if say Mr Penske, for argument's sake, bought the majority ownership of the premier series?
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Why would there be an issue with that?
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So all okay if say Mr Penske, for argument's sake, bought the majority ownership of the premier series?
What would he do, change the rules to allow him to build a car faster than everybody else?

Turns out he didn't need to....
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So all okay if say Mr Penske, for argument's sake, bought the majority ownership of the premier series?
As Mr Dane said (paraphrased) on the Ingall/Morris show.. anyone coulda done it, but not everyone did...

If Mr Penske buys the control of the series, then he did what others did not, with the same opportunity in front of them. Same as if Mr Dane takes an increased equity position.

Or if the REC holders kick in about $10m per REC and maintain their ownership position equally on a per REC basis with every other REC holder....
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What would he do, change the rules to allow him to build a car faster than everybody else?

Turns out he didn't need to....
Turns out he might not need to contemplate such a scenario, when Mr Dane & co. are at the forefront of such a manoeuvre.

The real question is what rules, steward decisions, scrutineering standards, etc will result when Mr Dane takes control.

It may turn out that flogging off half the team equity, the state-of-the-art transporter, and the multiple-race-winning chassis to achieve this control position; will be worthwhile.
Time will tell.
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As Mr Dane said (paraphrased) on the Ingall/Morris show.. anyone coulda done it, but not everyone did...

If Mr Penske buys the control of the series, then he did what others did not, with the same opportunity in front of them. Same as if Mr Dane takes an increased equity position.

Or if the REC holders kick in about $10m per REC and maintain their ownership position equally on a per REC basis with every other REC holder....
Won't happen of course, because every other (part of the 35%) can't play on that same ground level.

Why should Mr Dane and his cohorts be given the opportunity to own the entire series?

This needs to be questioned, regardless of whether one is part of the exclusive 'ten tenths VW club' or not.
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AusGT has been owned by competitors several times.

Australian Super Touring Championship was.

Australian Production Car Series is.

Aussie Racing Cars...
It's nothing new.
Could add TCM, CART, Supercars plus many others to this list, plus of course other sports where there is at least partial competitor ownership such as AFL, NRL & the list goes on.

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Why should Mr Dane and his cohorts be elegible for the (65%) controlling stake though?

No conflict of interest issue there at all?
Why shouldn't they have a stake? Conflicts of interest can exist in every walk of life but it is how they are managed that matters. Someone with "conflict of interest" intrinsically has a good knowledge on the subject, whereas someone with no "conflict of interest" has no knowledge relatively and there's a time-lag whilst they get their head around it (if they ever do).
There were strong rumours that Ms Klimenko was going to buy out Archer a few years ago, no wailing and gnashing of teeth then, why should the reaction to Mr Dane or for that matter Mr Penske or anyone else be any different?

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Won't happen of course, because every other (part of the 35%) can't play on that same ground level.

Why should Mr Dane and his cohorts be given the opportunity to own the entire series?

This needs to be questioned, regardless of whether one is part of the exclusive 'ten tenths VW club' or not.
Of course they all play on the same ground, every last one of them - they all operate under the same rulebook and structures.

Why shouldn't Mr Dane be given the opportunity to own a larger PART of the series (which is what MIGHT happen if they were to buy out Archer - the teams as a group still have ownership of part of the series).

Have no idea what the "10/10 VW club" is - maybe it's something that appears when posting at night *ahem* "under the influence"?

Nothing wrong with any competitor (or group of current / former competitors) buying out Archer. Clearly if the people involved have invested a large amount of money, they'd then want to see that investment yield a return and grow - a quality series with a high level of desirability for fans and sponsors is key to that and playing favourites within the competition (which is what you seem to be suggesting, although you don't actually come out and say it) would degrade the attractiveness of the series, thus hurting their investment - makes zero sense to do that.
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