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Old 11 Dec 2022, 01:53 (Ref:4136744)   #1
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In issue 133 of Australian Muscle Car, there is an article on the birth of Supercars back in 1992 and the politics involved at the time.

It was a wonder that the Confederation against Motorsport, didn’t go with everyone having to run Russian Lada’s running Leyland V8’s

They make mention of the DJR Falcon EB, that had been built for Bathurst 1992 and then scrapped by the team.

Seemed to be an expensive exercise to scrap a race car?

Was it sold off an ran as a Sports Sedan, or sold to some punter as a road car?
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Old 11 Dec 2022, 06:31 (Ref:4136756)   #2
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In issue 133 of Australian Muscle Car, there is an article on the birth of Supercars back in 1992 and the politics involved at the time.

It was a wonder that the Confederation against Motorsport, didn’t go with everyone having to run Russian Lada’s running Leyland V8’s

They make mention of the DJR Falcon EB, that had been built for Bathurst 1992 and then scrapped by the team.

Seemed to be an expensive exercise to scrap a race car?

Was it sold off an ran as a Sports Sedan, or sold to some punter as a road car?
It was actually banned. There is an account of the car history and story, based on info in Aaron Noonan's book detailing every DJR car built.

It seems it was never scrapped as such, and spent much of its life as a show car, before nearly 15 years later heading to a club racer in WA where it indeed finally became a Sports Sedan.

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EB1 was used as a show car throughout the life of the E series Falcon in Supercars, with panel conversions to EF and then EL spec.

Years later the car was sold to a club racer in Western Australia, which led to it finally making its racing debut as a sports sedan in 2006.
The article, titled "The banned DJR Falcon" explains how....
"Dick Johnson Racing once built a V8 Falcon touring car that was banned before it could turn a single racing lap."

Full article, with a pic of the car: https://au.motorsport.com/v8supercar...n-eb1/4801665/

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Old 12 Dec 2022, 12:13 (Ref:4136867)   #3
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Full article, with a pic of the car: https://au.motorsport.com/v8supercar...n-eb1/4801665/
The pictured car seems to have an earlier version of the front bumper and side skirts than that which raced. Perhaps that photo was taken on a promotional day at Bathurst?

Promotional photos with alternative aero kit:


The car (EB2?) which raced at Adelaide 1992 which used the same aerokit as the Peter Jackson car:



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In issue 133 of Australian Muscle Car, there is an article on the birth of Supercars back in 1992 and the politics involved at the time.
Did Fred Gibson press to have the R32 Skyline sedan (with rear wheel drive only) included in the Group 3A regulations, with say a provision for turbocharged engines up to say 2.0L (the GTS-T still used the RB20 at the time)? If so, why was this perfectly reasonable request denied?

Having a provision for 5.0 NA vs 2.0 turbo would have also allowed Sierras to continue, perhaps with a conversion to four door Sapphire bodyshells in line with the new four door regulatory direction.

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Old 17 Dec 2022, 07:46 (Ref:4137403)   #4
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Johnson started building the car before the rules were set in stone, he went the wrong way and the car was illegal

Not entirely his fault, it was a rough road getting the final ruleset in place

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If so, why was this perfectly reasonable request denied?
Because Holden and ford didn’t want it, and if they weren’t happy then neither were Channel 7 and Shell

Not that I recall any request like that, but Holden and ford whinging is what got that whole formula up and running, the M3’s horrendously hobbled for 1993 and abolished any skerrick of hope that other manufacturers could compete in a series with them at that time.

It was a successful formula, but the way it was introduced was a disgrace
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The pictured car seems to have an earlier version of the front bumper and side skirts than that which raced. Perhaps that photo was taken on a promotional day at Bathurst?
In the late 80s / early 90s there was a test day held at Bathurst a day or so after the last round of the ATCC at Oran Park in August, DJREB1 was debuted at that test in 1992.
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Johnson started building the car before the rules were set in stone, he went the wrong way and the car was illegal

Not entirely his fault, it was a rough road getting the final ruleset in place
While GSR built their first Falcon to the existing ruleset and conventions allowing the existence of a homologated Holden VN Commodore Group A..
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Old 19 Dec 2022, 05:23 (Ref:4137537)   #7
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I believe this car lives in a shed at Wanneroo Raceway and is pushed out most club race days to get some sun.
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Old 20 Dec 2022, 08:55 (Ref:4137627)   #8
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Does this fit the bill:
https://www.my105.com/search/details...0-2cd9f0d53775

If the phone number has changed, try here:
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The pictured car seems to have an earlier version of the front bumper and side skirts than that which raced. Perhaps that photo was taken on a promotional day at Bathurst?

Promotional photos with alternative aero kit:


The car (EB2?) which raced at Adelaide 1992 which used the same aerokit as the Peter Jackson car:



Did Fred Gibson press to have the R32 Skyline sedan (with rear wheel drive only) included in the Group 3A regulations, with say a provision for turbocharged engines up to say 2.0L (the GTS-T still used the RB20 at the time)? If so, why was this perfectly reasonable request denied?

Having a provision for 5.0 NA vs 2.0 turbo would have also allowed Sierras to continue, perhaps with a conversion to four door Sapphire bodyshells in line with the new four door regulatory direction.
And who was going to pay for it?
Not that you ever bother yourself with the big picture or the facts, wanting only to push the same tired old V8 hating wheel barrow.
Nissan stopped producing cars in Australia in 1992 and regardless of the rule changes, were highly unlikely to keep pumping millions into supporting a race team.
Meanwhile, Holden were offering support to Gibson to run Commodores.

Sorry, that doesn't fit your story line but the immediate success of the category and the fact it has been running for nearly 30 years now suggests they made the right choice.
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Old 20 Dec 2022, 10:46 (Ref:4137643)   #10
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And who was going to pay for it?
BMW kept sponsoring their team until 1997. They had to move from the ATCC to the Australian Super Touring Championship instead due to lack of support from ATCC rule makers.

Where was the provision to support BMW's intent to enter the Australian Touring Car Championship, be it with drawing up rules to accommodate a 540i (notably with a V8!) or for some other BMW vehicle?
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I believe this car lives in a shed at Wanneroo Raceway and is pushed out most club race days to get some sun.
Did the car sell? Is it even still in WA?

Not to say it hasn't seen the light of day, but I've never seen this car out, and I go to a reasonable number of meetings there, and check the rest out on Natsoft. Mr Gill has been running hard in the Saloon Cars ( 6cyl ) for a number of years, and doing quite well.
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Did the car sell? Is it even still in WA?

Not to say it hasn't seen the light of day, but I've never seen this car out, and I go to a reasonable number of meetings there, and check the rest out on Natsoft. Mr Gill has been running hard in the Saloon Cars ( 6cyl ) for a number of years, and doing quite well.
Pretty sure it was sun baking at the last local round. It has not raced for years from memory, last time it raced was when owned by Brocklehurst (sp?), I though he had sold it on, but not sure who to.

It sits outside the newest sheds, facing the facility entrance.
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Pretty sure it was sun baking at the last local round. It has not raced for years from memory, last time it raced was when owned by Brocklehurst (sp?), I though he had sold it on, but not sure who to.

It sits outside the newest sheds, facing the facility entrance.
OK. So Mr Gill sold it to Mr Brocklehurst? Then possibly on to someone else now? I didn't make it to the last round unfortunately, but will keep my eyes peeled next time. It's a shame that such a significant car ( and many others, whether significant or not ) are languishing in sheds for years, with no true hope of ever seeing the track with their current owners ( even though they all tell you different ). I ended up buying a Sports Sedan from NZ and had it shipped to Perth because no one here will sell you their garage queen, because "I'm going to get it running and back on the track one day", which we all know almost never happens. And if they ever do finally decide to sell, the car has been sitting so long everything is totally rooted and the car needs a FULL strip and rebuild, yet they want race-ready money for it because Brock / Johnson / Moffat walked past it in the pits in 1982.
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And who was going to pay for it?
Not that you ever bother yourself with the big picture or the facts, wanting only to push the same tired old V8 hating wheel barrow.
Nissan stopped producing cars in Australia in 1992 and regardless of the rule changes, were highly unlikely to keep pumping millions into supporting a race team.
Meanwhile, Holden were offering support to Gibson to run Commodores.

Sorry, that doesn't fit your story line but the immediate success of the category and the fact it has been running for nearly 30 years now suggests they made the right choice.
Nissan were very open about wanting to continue in Australian motorsport beyond 1992, even interested in a 2L program.

They were made to feel unwanted and the Bathurst podium debacle finished off any desire for them to stay. Worst of all Australian motor racing acted as if they didn’t care..
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Nissan were very open about wanting to continue in Australian motorsport beyond 1992, even interested in a 2L program.

They were made to feel unwanted and the Bathurst podium debacle finished off any desire for them to stay. Worst of all Australian motor racing acted as if they didn’t care..
And history repeated itself with Roger Penske……
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