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Old 23 Oct 2019, 09:34 (Ref:3936371)   #1
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At Paul Ricard the two front running cars in the Sixtes Endurance race were Cobras and E type Jaguars.
Is there an alternative front running car

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Old 23 Oct 2019, 09:54 (Ref:3936373)   #2
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The two front running cars in the Sixtes Endurance race were Cobras and E type Jaguars.
Is there an alternative front running car
You do sometimes get a Bizzarini 5300 GT that races in 60s and can mix up at the front. Also a well driven Mustang GT350 could possibly aswell.

Apart from a Ferrari GTO thats it.
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 12:01 (Ref:3936386)   #3
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The two front running cars in the Sixtes Endurance race were Cobras and E type Jaguars.
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Not really. There is a ‘64 bodied GTO (recent build) that can get close, driven by a Dutch pro, but it doesn’t race in PA. I don’t think a Bizza will beat the Cobras and E Types now- maybe a couple of years ago- and a GT350 has to be well ‘bent’ to get close. Yes, there is the odd one......
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 15:24 (Ref:3936401)   #4
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Not really. There is a ‘64 bodied GTO (recent build) that can get close, driven by a Dutch pro, but it doesn’t race in PA. I don’t think a Bizza will beat the Cobras and E Types now- maybe a couple of years ago- and a GT350 has to be well ‘bent’ to get close. Yes, there is the odd one......
Certainly. Hard to say as there is not many of the exanples I gave going against the Cobras. One example is the Nolte/Funke Bizzarini which normally sets very quick times amongst Cobras and E Type.

The GTO 64 at Imola lapped the whole Pre 66 field apart from 1 car I think at Imola in a 90 minute race last year, although it was driven by Nicky Pastorelli.

You could argue now that the standard Cobra and E type are obsolete now given how good the Daytona Cobra is now as its got better aero than standard cobra and developed a lot aswell.

As always depends on whos driving.
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 15:45 (Ref:3936404)   #5
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Robert, matter of fact, Cobras and E's are at the maximum development acceptable AND very well driven. Why not considering a good TVR as an alternative?
I too noticed the fast GT350 but can say nothing about this particular one. Just asked JM why he was behind…
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Oh as Gerard mentioned a TVR Griffith is able to if its brakes last.
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Old 23 Oct 2019, 17:27 (Ref:3936417)   #7
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Yes front uprights too. But we're talking about two hour races. So…
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Old 24 Oct 2019, 06:11 (Ref:3936504)   #8
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Gentleman thank you for your suggestions.
I had thought of the TVR Griffith 200, the Shelby Mustang and in a quick review of the GT's homologated in 1964/65 noticed the Pontiac GTO.
I would have thought the Shelby Mustang would be quicker than the GTO. Certainly over a lap rather than outright speed.
Its slim pickings at the top of the grid.
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Old 24 Oct 2019, 17:03 (Ref:3936594)   #9
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Two telly quick drivers in Elva gets you in top five
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 02:46 (Ref:3936647)   #10
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Which Elva would that be John
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 09:20 (Ref:3936665)   #11
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A blue one.
There are only two!
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 10:23 (Ref:3936672)   #12
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A blue one.
There are only two!
I need glasses John. I can’t see an Elva in Sixties Endurance results
Please help
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 10:30 (Ref:3936674)   #13
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I can’t dispute you need glasses, Specsave perhaps?
Your question was, what car can be at front of 60’s endurance race other than Jag or Cobra
My answer Elva, look at Dijon race lap by lap
It’s a top ten/ five car if driven by two decent drivers
The result only perspective is misleading.
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 10:40 (Ref:3936676)   #14
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Was having a look at results and a Bizzarini did get P2 in quali at Imola for 60s race last year.
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 11:13 (Ref:3936686)   #15
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You raced against it, Bob. Car #160 Elva GT160, Michael Birch and Gareth Burnett. Was just behind your Elite in the tents. Sadly put out of the race by an out of control MGB....

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Old 25 Oct 2019, 11:44 (Ref:3936690)   #16
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Ah I see now thanks Mike
I must admit I did not take much notice of what was happening at the front of the field apart from when they were lapping me
Interestingly the TVR qualified in front of the Elva
Only 3 Elva built though it seems
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You raced against it, Bob. Car #160 Elva GT160, Michael Birch and Gareth Burnett. Was just behind your Elite in the tents. Sadly put out of the race by an out of control MGB....

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Was it this one? Taken at the Le Mans Classic 2012:
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Was it this one? Taken at the Le Mans Classic 2012:
Oh yes. Of the two existing it’s the only one that races, and it has ‘real’ LM24 history.....
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Two cars with 2 litre BMW engine and one built up from
Bits much later with a Buick engine.
The car that races is with a 2 litre BMW based engine
In period Chris Amon used it as a road car!
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Two cars with 2 litre BMW engine and one built up from
Bits much later with a Buick engine.
The car that races is with a 2 litre BMW based engine
In period Chris Amon used it as a road car!
Are any for sale that you know of John
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Neither of the BMW engined cars are for sale and owned by people who would be seduced by an offer.They both have collections.
Tried buying the third car but that’s owned by some Dane who seems to be impervious to having dosh thrown at him! Understand it needs a complete rebuild and has made a couple of false starts at rebuild but it came to nothing.
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Old 26 Oct 2019, 09:26 (Ref:3936850)   #23
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Hmmm
It might have to be a Pontiac GTO just to be different
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Pontiac will be much cheaper even if either of Elvas were to be sold!
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It might have to be a Pontiac GTO just to be different
Would it look like this one.....?

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