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Old 22 May 2013, 10:18 (Ref:3251569)   #1
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New Perrin LMP1 !

This is new and out of nowhere I believe

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Old 22 May 2013, 10:21 (Ref:3251570)   #2
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They're the company who did the Pesca 03, oh my....
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Old 22 May 2013, 10:24 (Ref:3251572)   #3
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quite nice also I believe this is the first look of how a 2014 lmp1 car would look like.

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Old 22 May 2013, 10:36 (Ref:3251576)   #4
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There are more drawings on http://endurance-info.com/version2/a...nce-18324.html

A bit of Peugeot 908 influence at the rear and the nose is inspired by the 2012 Toyota TS030:


The air extractor holes are at the inside of the rear fenders:
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Old 22 May 2013, 10:36 (Ref:3251577)   #5
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Oh how I wish they hadn't shown us.
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Old 22 May 2013, 10:37 (Ref:3251578)   #6
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Interesting, last I heard Dr Ulrich said the rules weren't quite finalised, hope this works better than the 03...

I wonder if the past connections with Pesca will show up again.
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Old 22 May 2013, 10:38 (Ref:3251580)   #7
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Hmm... on the top picture in Gwyllion's post it looks like it has the current 80% rear wing, whereas the picture at the bottom shows a full-width wing...

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Old 22 May 2013, 10:44 (Ref:3251584)   #8
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Nice! Looks like the 2014 regs will produce some good looking cars
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Old 22 May 2013, 10:49 (Ref:3251591)   #9
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Old 22 May 2013, 10:53 (Ref:3251596)   #10
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Not really taken with the overall look, perhaps it will look better with a new paint job
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Old 22 May 2013, 11:09 (Ref:3251603)   #11
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Perrin says that while Henri is not involved in the project, there is scope to work together in the future.

http://endurance-info.com/version2/a...nce-18324.html

The Pesca 03 was embarrassing but so much of that was down to the rush job and an ill-equipped/installed engine.

You have to applaud something like this as conventional wisdom would scream 'don't do it'.
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Old 22 May 2013, 11:26 (Ref:3251609)   #12
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There are more drawings on http://endurance-info.com/version2/a...nce-18324.html

A bit of Peugeot 908 influence at the rear and the nose is inspired by the 2012 Toyota TS030:
I agree. When first looking at it I saw a Peugyota.

What ever happened to all the tooling, parts and pieces that Peugeot had upon their demise?
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http://www.yatedo.com/p/Nicolas+Perr...fb70e54612f440 Nicolas Perrin career.
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Really excited to see Perrinn put their cards on the table with this announcement. Hate to be pessimistic, but with no team to run the car (or no car to run at this point) I really don't see this happening for 2014.
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Old 22 May 2013, 11:58 (Ref:3251621)   #15
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quite nice also I believe this is the first look of how a 2014 lmp1 car would look like.
I thought the Lotus T128 LMP2 car was the first car that conformed to the 2014 LMP1 rules and gave us a look at how the cars will look next year?
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Old 22 May 2013, 12:10 (Ref:3251627)   #16
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Google's translation of the endurance-info page makes me laugh almost as much as the auto-correct on my phone:

"It has regained its pilgrim stick to present its new LMP1, it meets the regulations in 2014"

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Old 22 May 2013, 12:21 (Ref:3251630)   #17
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Hmm... on the top picture in Gwyllion's post it looks like it has the current 80% rear wing, whereas the picture at the bottom shows a full-width wing...
I think it's the perspective of the render on the top, it's still a full width wing, just looks thinner because it is further away. I think the draw distance on the render is set a little close.
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Hate to be pessimistic, but with no team to run the car (or no car to run at this point) I really don't see this happening for 2014.
Yeah you need a team. Bailey. Riley. Cars but no one to run them. Hopefully someone takes the plunge with this.

If we could get more manufacturers in '14 plus an increase in privateer interest that would be incredible.
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Interesting, last I heard Dr Ulrich said the rules weren't quite finalised, hope this works better than the 03...

I wonder if the past connections with Pesca will show up again.
MulsanneMike has leaked (?) the draft regs a long time ago; while not 100% officially final there is probably not going to be that major aero changes anymore that would postpone an announcement like this. Ullrich likely refers to the energy/fuel limits in particular...
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A very interesting and I like the look of the car took I see that they are based up in Skipton which is no more than 15 miles from where I am sat right now.
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My first thought, was "what the hell!". Very odd for a complete LMP1 design to spring up entirely out of the blue.

Second thing is, one thing this project doesn't need is to be shot down with pessimism. They've got themselves organised, unlike others. If you woke up today and decided that you wanted to go LMP1 racing next year and you wanted to get going with planning straight away, this is your only option for 2014 at the moment.

I really hope to see this car on the grid.
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A very interesting and I like the look of the car took I see that they are based up in Skipton which is no more than 15 miles from where I am sat right now.
Whaaaaat! That's around 13 miles away from me in Bingley. Had no idea! Definitely need to throw our weight behind this effort. Agree with G4J regarding pessimism.
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I think it's an absolutely stunning looking car, contrary to some opinions. I don't think we'll ever be seeing it racing, but we can only hope.
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Wearing my optimistic hat, I figure the more viable designs we have out there the more feasible it is that some of them will see the light of day, if for no other reason that it makes the pitch to backers more persuasive.

At the moment, let's say you want to go LMP1 racing next year, you've got a bit of cash to get the ball rolling, but you need backers. Right now an obvious question would be, "okay, so what chassis / engine lineup are you looking at?", to which up until now all you could say would be "Lotus, or maybe some other vapourware projects", which doesn't sound all that thought through.

Now you could be in a position where you can say "We've talked to Lotus and run some numbers, but right now we're keen to go down the Perrin route, because we feel it's a less compromised package by being focused on LMP1 and benefits from looking at some of the lessons learned of 2013", which straight away is a lot more persuasive.

Will we see a Perrin on the grid next year? Perhaps we won't, but if nothing else the exercise of someone getting out there and doing the design studies is another good vote of confidence in the WEC, and a sign that people are moving beyond the overall tooth sucking about how the 2014 regs are absolutely impossible for a privateer that you hear in some bits of the media.
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Wearing my optimistic hat, I figure the more viable designs we have out there the more feasible it is that some of them will see the light of day, if for no other reason that it makes the pitch to backers more persuasive.

At the moment, let's say you want to go LMP1 racing next year, you've got a bit of cash to get the ball rolling, but you need backers. Right now an obvious question would be, "okay, so what chassis / engine lineup are you looking at?", to which up until now all you could say would be "Lotus, or maybe some other vapourware projects", which doesn't sound all that thought through.

Now you could be in a position where you can say "We've talked to Lotus and run some numbers, but right now we're keen to go down the Perrin route, because we feel it's a less compromised package by being focused on LMP1 and benefits from looking at some of the lessons learned of 2013", which straight away is a lot more persuasive.

Will we see a Perrin on the grid next year? Perhaps we won't, but if nothing else the exercise of someone getting out there and doing the design studies is another good vote of confidence in the WEC, and a sign that people are moving beyond the overall tooth sucking about how the 2014 regs are absolutely impossible for a privateer that you hear in some bits of the media.
The fact that manufacturers like Perrin are testing the waters in the WEC shows that finally it is getting more attention. More and more people are willing to spend in order to get a basic design blueprint, a group of people, a couple of demos, etc, etc. Evidence in Bailey Prototypes - that never took off but what matters is that they tried in the first place. Analysts and predictors like us here at 10 Tenths seemed to think the only way for LMP1 (and the WEC) was to get factory teams from places like Nissan, Honda, or Porsche. But perhaps it'll turn out to be the opposite way around... teams like the new Rebellion "works" team, OAK Racing, Perrin, and Bailey will make up the bulk of LMP1. Who knows... interesting prospects ahead.

My cynic tells me this won't take off, though.
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