Vettel (DEU) vs Webber (AUS) part 3

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Adam43

I was referring to the pole time.

@jsTrecu fairplay

You reckon they manipulated 3 equal times?

[OZ_HCR32]

Not manipulated....but not equal. LOL, who cares though its just a bit of fun...but it would only take a new clutch, new set of tyres, a wheel alignment for gods sake...how many times does the car go bush in a big way....and the times would be markedly different from the serivicing. Secret would be to get lucky with your seat time and some servicing

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by wnut

Some of the good laps have looked very untidy, with clear mistakes in them!

Then for Vettel to be a full second behind Lewis, and .9 behind Mark just beggars belief. A very convenient and popular result as jsTrecu pointed out.

The second difference doesn't surprise me at all. No disrespect to Seb, but the variation in temperatures, road surface and weather conditions plus the way the Suzuki probably responds to a certain driving technique on those road tyres doesn't indicate a manipulated time board, but simply the fact that its not really a representative indication of everyone having the same opportunity under the same or similar conditions.

Its just a bit of fun done purely for the entertainment value. Nothing like a GP test session or qualifying.... for goodness sake....

[VIVA GT]

Everything else on Top Gear is scripted/manipulated/false anyway, why should this aspect of the show be any different?
I think the whole peogram just exists to further inflate Jeremy Clarksons already bloated ego anyway!
(Oh, and in case you've not already worked this out, I'm not a fan!)

[jedrinck]

Originally Posted by Adam43

That's quite unfair. You come across as looking for something bad to see in him. It is the same as saying Vettel's "thing" is ignoring team orders to shaft Webber.
I don't have anything against either, so I shall be sticking up for both against unfair comments.

In all seriousness, that is his thing! Webber doesn't seem like someone who has one of the best jobs a human being could have. Ever since DC left RBR his attitude has been defiant.

As for the Top Gear lap times, just a set of new or different tires changes everything. I think it's also a matter of how much the respective drivers have been trying. In the Vettel Top Gear lap he seems to be in at least 2 different cars, whatever that means. Illegal t-car?

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by jedrinck

In all seriousness, that is his thing! Webber doesn't seem like someone who has one of the best jobs a human being could have. Ever since DC left RBR his attitude has been defiant.

As for the Top Gear lap times, just a set of new or different tires changes everything. I think it's also a matter of how much the respective drivers have been trying. In the Vettel Top Gear lap he seems to be in at least 2 different cars, whatever that means. Illegal t-car?

We all assume that 'The Lap' we see on TV is all the one lap, but from what I've been told, they only film one corner at a time, then 'join the bits of film together' to make up a lap.
(Make-up, That wasn't even intentional!)

Top Gear - The most unbelieveable load of rubbish - In The World...

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

We all assume that 'The Lap' we see on TV is all the one lap, but from what I've been told, they only film one corner at a time, then 'join the bits of film together' to make up a lap.
(Make-up, That wasn't even intentional!)
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So its all a bit hand to mouth and cheaply produced....Like a kid from the slums dressing up in an emperors clothes and hiring a chauffer to look rich and important...

[Greem]

In the words of John McEnroe:

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

Really, the F1 Forum has descended to discussion of how Top Gear film their Star In A Reasonably Priced Car section?

Pardon me, but: FFS. Get a grip, people. It means *nothing*. It means less - far less - than sandbagging times in the first hour of testing at the start of a season (unless they're the 2009 Brawn times, obviously).

Give us all a break. It's great TV, but driver-ability-splitting it is most definitely not.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by wnut

You reckon they manipulated 3 equal times?

No, it was a coincidence.

As for Top Gear, it is a TV programme. Who here complained about the Hertfordshire Ferrari test

[BSchneiderFan]

Jerez qualifying 1997 for equal lap times.

[garcon]

Moved to Armchair, because this has got absolutely **** ALL to do with F1.

(As Greem so eloquently pointed out.)

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Greem

In the words of John McEnroe:

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

Really, the F1 Forum has descended to discussion of how Top Gear film their Star In A Reasonably Priced Car section?

Pardon me, but: FFS. Get a grip, people. It means *nothing*. It means less - far less - than sandbagging times in the first hour of testing at the start of a season (unless they're the 2009 Brawn times, obviously).

Give us all a break. It's great TV, but driver-ability-splitting it is most definitely not.

Thanks, some reality shock is needed sometimes !

[garcon]

By the way, apologies to anyone now confused about the first 60 pages or so, which was about F1. Mostly.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by Greem

In the words of John McEnroe:

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

Really, the F1 Forum has descended to discussion of how Top Gear film their Star In A Reasonably Priced Car section?

Pardon me, but: FFS. Get a grip, people. It means *nothing*. It means less - far less - than sandbagging times in the first hour of testing at the start of a season (unless they're the 2009 Brawn times, obviously).

Give us all a break. It's great TV, but driver-ability-splitting it is most definitely not.

This. Truly embarrassing. I am cringing.

[VIVA GT]

But surely, forum threads are like a journey?
Sometimes they remain totally focussed on the original route, and never stray away irrespective of what happens. Others evolve into a more interesting stroll, taking up new headings (in a direction type of way) as a result of what's being posted?
Surely we're not in the position where certain sub forums are so elitist where you're only allowed to post if you're wearing a blazer and the appropriate club tie for example, this is a public forum when all said and done...

[garcon]

I think you have to be old enough to have worn a tie at some point to post in the Historics Forum, but that's our only 'club' rule...

In fairness I should have split the last couple of pages, which resurrected an old 60 page F1 thread to talk about Top Gear laps.

[Bononi]

No more Top Gear please.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by Greem

In the words of John McEnroe:

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

Really, the F1 Forum has descended to discussion of how Top Gear film their Star In A Reasonably Priced Car section?

Pardon me, but: FFS. Get a grip, people. It means *nothing*. It means less - far less - than sandbagging times in the first hour of testing at the start of a season (unless they're the 2009 Brawn times, obviously).

Give us all a break. It's great TV, but driver-ability-splitting it is most definitely not.

Of course its NOT F1, its Top Gear, but it involves a driver and it evolved into a bit of fun. So what's wrong with tongue in cheek or taking the pis...