Rules Qualifying format 2010

joe rossi · 11 Mar 2010, 17:01 (Ref:2649697)

just a quick question, I'm sure the answer is around but I can't be bothered to trawl through pages of threads..

Are they allowed to qualify on low fuel this year and then refuel, or are they going into the top ten shoot out with full tanks?

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jab · 11 Mar 2010, 17:04 (Ref:2649700)

Low fuel. Instead of doing it with race fuel, they're compensating with the introduction of another artificial element - using the same tyres that you start the race on

joe rossi · 11 Mar 2010, 17:07 (Ref:2649703)

ahh that makes sense kinda.. It's good that the final laps will be the fastest, unlike recent years when Q2 was the fastest session.

It's a shame they can't just go for it though, I see no reason (apart from the saving the cost of a set of tyres) to handicap the final shoot out..

courageous · 11 Mar 2010, 17:09 (Ref:2649704)

bbc says low fuel.
After qualifying all cars will get filled to the brim & positions 11 and lower get fresh tyres (which means just sneaking into the top 10 shootout will be a bad thing - go figure).

bravo · 11 Mar 2010, 17:09 (Ref:2649705)

So can they change their tyres during qualifying?

duke_toaster · 11 Mar 2010, 17:33 (Ref:2649716)

Yes.

GolddustMini · 11 Mar 2010, 18:32 (Ref:2649755)

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Originally Posted by bravo

So can they change their tyres during qualifying?

but they must start the race on the tyres which they set their fastest qualifying time with. that way they cant set a quick time in the middle of qualifying then swap to race tyres and do a slow lap.

Yannick · 11 Mar 2010, 18:37 (Ref:2649759)

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Originally Posted by GolddustMini

but they must start the race on the tyres which they set their fastest qualifying time with. that way they cant set a quick time in the middle of qualifying then swap to race tyres and do a slow lap.

That does not make sense with me. How can the stewards keep count of which set of tyres was the one set with which a driver scored the fastest time?
What penalty will they serve to a driver who starts the race on the wrong set of tyres? Plus 10 grid positions in the next event? A stop and go penalty?

GolddustMini · 11 Mar 2010, 19:02 (Ref:2649774)

i presume they have some sort of barcode scan system (and the teams are responsible for keeping records etc, IIRC thats how pirrelli keep track of what tyres WRC drivers are using etc

Ralf's Girl · 11 Mar 2010, 21:13 (Ref:2649870)

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Originally Posted by courageous

bbc says low fuel.
After qualifying all cars will get filled to the brim & positions 11 and lower get fresh tyres (which means just sneaking into the top 10 shootout will be a bad thing - go figure).

It was a bad thing already, only last season it was better to be 11th than 10th so you could do what you wanted with your fuel strategy, this time it's tyres. I can't see the need for all the tinkering, personally...

Jamesy-18 · 11 Mar 2010, 21:22 (Ref:2649879)

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Originally Posted by Ralf's Girl

It was a bad thing already, only last season it was better to be 11th than 10th so you could do what you wanted with your fuel strategy, this time it's tyres. I can't see the need for all the tinkering, personally...

Not really. I'd much rather be in the top 5 on the grid at a place like Barcelona or Valencia or Singapore than 11th. After all, with very little overtaking at all of those tracks, you've got a bigger chance of winning from inside the top 5 than you have from 11th.

kezza7 · 11 Mar 2010, 21:38 (Ref:2649896)

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Originally Posted by Jamesy-18

Not really. I'd much rather be in the top 5 on the grid at a place like Barcelona or Valencia or Singapore than 11th. After all, with very little overtaking at all of those tracks, you've got a bigger chance of winning from inside the top 5 than you have from 11th.

But would you not rather be on fresh rubber in eleventh than used rubber in tenth?

I know i would

Jamesy-18 · 11 Mar 2010, 21:43 (Ref:2649901)

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Originally Posted by kezza7

But would you not rather be on fresh rubber in eleventh than used rubber in tenth?

I know i would

In a Sauber in the top 5, if you listen to Bridgestone's word, won't make any differance.

JABWOA · 11 Mar 2010, 21:56 (Ref:2649909)

This tyre business is just to make Q3 different from Q2 - my idea would be to have Q3 as a top 10 reverse grid race, 5 laps, winner takes pole and so on down to 10....

skells22 · 11 Mar 2010, 21:57 (Ref:2649910)

want about days when the rain comes on one day and then dry the other day (or the other way around)?

**Adam43** · 11 Mar 2010, 22:03 (Ref:2649913)

Then all bets are off. Just like they were before.

dsg · 12 Mar 2010, 03:50 (Ref:2650043)

I quite like qualifying to a knockout process but just let the teams go for it in each session and start the race with a clean slate.

The artificial bit would be to limit the cars to 3 or 4 sets per weekend. It would make the tyre manufacturer make a durable tyre and possibly limit the amount of marbles left on track during the race.

NaBUru38 · 13 Mar 2010, 14:16 (Ref:2651034)

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Originally Posted by Ralf's Girl

last season it was better to be 11th than 10th so you could do what you wanted with your fuel strategy

Last year you could refuel, only that you were forced to publish how much. Secrets win over being fast in F1...

The current system is great.

Pingguest · 13 Mar 2010, 16:05 (Ref:2651083)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Last year you could refuel, only that you were forced to publish how much. Secrets win over being fast in F1...

The current system is great.

I disagree. In the current qualifying format drivers still can't show their true one-lap pace.

brands · 13 Mar 2010, 17:30 (Ref:2651128)

9 out of the top 10 were slower in Q3 than Q2

bravo · 13 Mar 2010, 17:33 (Ref:2651131)

Q3 was a bit of an anti-climax for me. Everyone did a single lap - nobody could try putting in a 2nd or 3rd attempt as they would have to start on some very work tyres.

**Adam43** · 13 Mar 2010, 17:47 (Ref:2651138)

The long lap didn't help. Although I thought some had two goes.

Dutton · 13 Mar 2010, 18:14 (Ref:2651150)

I never understood how 11th was an advantage to 10th in previous years. I do not understand it this year either.

In previous years, you could put as much fuel as you liked in Q3. You don't want to be "disadvantaged" to 11th place? Put in as much fuel as you want, then don't do a lap.

This year if you don't want to be "disadvantaged" to 11th place, then don't set a time in Q3. You get to start on whatever tyres you want.

This issue is only ever going to be affecting those who are going to be lining up in that 8th-12th region of speed. Whether they participate in Q3 in anything more than on paper is absolutely up to them: nothing says they have to run laps.

fourWheelDrift · 13 Mar 2010, 18:15 (Ref:2651151)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

The long lap didn't help. Although I thought some had two goes.

I hadn't got a clue what was going on, I suddenly discovered I hadn't got Java on my new laptop and the install triggered from the browser didn't work properly. Without the live timing and without the sidebar ranking graphic that FOM TV saw fit to remove for this race it didn't make any sense at all.

Thank goodness I will have live timing for the race as I have got Java working by going to the Sun site and downloading the installer. I think it was formula1.com's fault, it seemed to link to an older Java runtime installer which doesn't work with Windows 7. They really ought to know better.

I was surprised and dissapointed with the new graphics as I say it was very hard to follow, I hope they hear the feedback and improve it for Australia.

jab · 13 Mar 2010, 18:49 (Ref:2651176)

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Originally Posted by brands

9 out of the top 10 were slower in Q3 than Q2

Setup is still compromised by parc ferme regulations, so we're still unlikely to see the fastest times being set in Q3

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Originally Posted by bravo

Q3 was a bit of an anti-climax for me. Everyone did a single lap - nobody could try putting in a 2nd or 3rd attempt as they would have to start on some very work tyres.

I agree it was an anti-climax but the Ferraris and McLarens did 2 runs

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