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View Poll Results: Which driver is going to win the VASC Driver’s Championship In 2018?
#1 Jamie Whincup RBHRT Holden 6 14.63%
#2 Scott Pye WAU Holden 1 2.44%
#5 Mark Winterbottom Tickford Ford 0 0%
#6 Cameron Waters Tickford Ford 1 2.44%
#7 Andre Heimgartner NisMoAu Nissan 0 0%
#8 Nick Percat BJR Holden 0 0%
#9 David Reynolds Erebus Holden 1 2.44%
#12 Fabian Coulthard DJRTP Ford 1 2.44%
#14 Tim Slade BJR Holden 0 0%
#15 Rick Kelly NisMoAu Nissan 0 0%
#17 Scott McLaughlin DJRTP Ford 22 53.66%
#18 Lee Holdsworth Team18 Holden 0 0%
#19 Jack Le Brocq Tekno Holden 0 0%
#21 Tim Blanchard TBR Holden 0 0%
#23 Michael Caruso NisMoAu Nissan 0 0%
#25 James Courtney WAU Holden 1 2.44%
#33 Garth Tander GRM Holden 0 0%
#34 James Golding GRM Holden 0 0%
#35 Todd Hazelwood MSR Ford 0 0%
#55 Chaz Mostert Tickford Ford 4 9.76%
#56 Richie Stanaway Tickford Ford 1 2.44%
#78 Simona de Silvestro NisMoAu Nissan 0 0%
#97 Shane van Gisbergen RBHRT Holden 2 4.88%
#99 Anton de Pasquale Erebus Holden 1 2.44%
#230 Will Davison 23RED Ford 0 0%
#888 Craig Lowndes ALR Holden 0 0%
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Old 30 Aug 2017, 05:56 (Ref:3762843)   #841
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I doubt we will see LDM 3, it could go to MSR
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Old 30 Aug 2017, 23:43 (Ref:3763063)   #842
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Auto Action today is reporting that Garry Rogers is looking to expand into a four car Supercar team for the main game in 2018, if it happens it will free up 2 extra seats at that team, seeing as Garry is known for giving youngsters a go it might be an avenue for some Super2 drivers
GRM expansion ‘very unlikely’ for 2018

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Paul Gover wrote the AA article..

It could also have been a 'floater', an idea to plop out in the world to see who calls up Garry & Barry with offers of drivers, RECs, sponsors etc.

Not that that kind of thing has ever happened before
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http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/09/08/...edes-dtm-exit/

Interesting to see more overseas attention from drivers
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Interesting to see more overseas attention from drivers
Very little chance he would get a drive though

Imagine the whinging from some quarters if he got a drive and the likes of Stanaway, Le Brocq and Hazelwood missed out
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There's not enough seats, for starters.
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Old 9 Sep 2017, 03:18 (Ref:3765574)   #847
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Very little chance he would get a drive though

Imagine the whinging from some quarters if he got a drive and the likes of Stanaway, Le Brocq and Hazelwood missed out
That is true, its one thing to want to join, but like Richie and the others, his best bet is to do some mileage in development first to get attention. Good for the sport though to see names coming from overseas and having a real interest
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his best bet is to do some mileage in development first to get attention.
A seasoned veteren from overseas is not going to lower themselves to the DVS though, i'm surprised that Stanaway did to be honest.
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A seasoned veteren from overseas is not going to lower themselves to the DVS though, i'm surprised that Stanaway did to be honest.
Names of Premat and Dahlgren would be enough for me to do it, no failed drivers, come to V8s with no experience, look what happened. Anyone thinking they can jump into a car straight away without some sort of V8 mileage is destined to fail. Richie and PRA made a wise choice
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A seasoned veteren from overseas is not going to lower themselves to the DVS though, i'm surprised that Stanaway did to be honest.
Nor should they have to..
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Nor should they have to..
So you're telling (or not) us you too think that Stanaway, shouldn't have come to development, just gone from a car with traction control, ABS, stability control, to a car with none of these and hope people will see them as successful?

The teams and drivers know the difficulty of the cars, yet the public seems to overlook it, and then when a driver doesn't perform, then they are the worst driver known to the series. This whole development time is a waste annoys me, and I am not the only one, I don't get fired up over much but this gets me going. It seems most here also see the point of Development, and so do the drivers, believe me, I know of some drivers who have seen comments here saying Richie shouldn't have done development laps and they were dumbfounded, it helped Richie (and hurt as the keyboard warriors will think its his game all the time). Any laps in a V8 Supercar is worth a huge amount to up and coming drivers.

Say a driver comes from these categories:

F1 - Few similarities
DTM - a few things similar, but not the same
WEC - a lot of assists to help them, need to learn 650+ horsepower of V8
NASCAR - Bigger, heavier, less sophisticated in the words of Skaife and Crompton

All take skill, yet all are very much chalk and cheese to one another.

My answer to the asked question is my opinion of it, and a few other people I know, some of those race in professional levels. It is all silly to say development doesn't pay, even if it is half a year, its better then nothing in my view.
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Isn't this the purpose of the Supercar Superlicence?

There are pilots in Super2 that you might not let push a shopping trolley let alone a main series Supercar. Does hanging around in Super2 for years automatically give a pilot the skills to be at the front in the main game?
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Isn't this the purpose of the Supercar Superlicence?

There are pilots in Super2 that you might not let push a shopping trolley let alone a main series Supercar. Does hanging around in Super2 for years automatically give a pilot the skills to be at the front in the main game?
well in that case how many points does he have?

however just because a person has enough points does not mean they will be running at the front or better than the driver currently in the car
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Old 9 Sep 2017, 11:30 (Ref:3765641)   #854
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Isn't this the purpose of the Supercar Superlicence?

There are pilots in Super2 that you might not let push a shopping trolley let alone a main series Supercar. Does hanging around in Super2 for years automatically give a pilot the skills to be at the front in the main game?
No, look at the Kostecki's, but it does give you one crucial thing if you have talent, a feel for a complex car
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So you're telling (or not) us you too think that Stanaway, shouldn't have come to development, just gone from a car with traction control, ABS, stability control, to a car with none of these and hope people will see them as successful?

The teams and drivers know the difficulty of the cars, yet the public seems to overlook it, and then when a driver doesn't perform, then they are the worst driver known to the series. This whole development time is a waste annoys me, and I am not the only one, I don't get fired up over much but this gets me going. It seems most here also see the point of Development, and so do the drivers, believe me, I know of some drivers who have seen comments here saying Richie shouldn't have done development laps and they were dumbfounded, it helped Richie (and hurt as the keyboard warriors will think its his game all the time). Any laps in a V8 Supercar is worth a huge amount to up and coming drivers.

Say a driver comes from these categories:

F1 - Few similarities
DTM - a few things similar, but not the same
WEC - a lot of assists to help them, need to learn 650+ horsepower of V8
NASCAR - Bigger, heavier, less sophisticated in the words of Skaife and Crompton

All take skill, yet all are very much chalk and cheese to one another.

My answer to the asked question is my opinion of it, and a few other people I know, some of those race in professional levels. It is all silly to say development doesn't pay, even if it is half a year, its better then nothing in my view.

With very few exceptions in my 30 plus years of watching motorsport if a driver is not immediately quick when they start in a new category they are unlikely ever be quick no matter how may miles they might get.

Notable exceptions being Jimmie Johnson who was a midfield runner at best in the Busch Series ,(yes I know he won one race before his Cup debut) and closer to home Jamie Whincup.

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