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16 Jul 2006, 13:23 (Ref:1657453) | #1 | |||
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Your thoughts on a NASCAR-like Formula One schedule
In his comments concerning Montoya's move to NASCAR, JV mentioned that he would like to see a Grand Prix season consist of 30 races with little to no testing:
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On the flip-side, though, I suppose is that will be there up to 30 locations around the world capable of hosting Formula One and the associated support races (GP2, V8s, etc)? I would struggle to think of 30 locations, but then again, I'm not up to scratch on my circuits. Once you start doubling up on locations then you start to devalue the concept of Formula One. |
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They complain enough as it is about the calendar size.
It won't happen. The crews have families, it would be costly to travel to millions of locations etc... I think F1 seasons should be 16 or 17 races, 18 max. |
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It would dilute it. Nah, it is fine as it is. I miss enough through doing things anyway! Can't sit in front of the telly all the time.
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16 Jul 2006, 13:38 (Ref:1657483) | #4 | ||
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A lot of the top NASCAR drivers do some BUSCH races as well. Some must do 45 races a year and a lot are longer than F1 as well.
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Knowlesy, I think you're right concerning the length of the season, though if it could be increased to an even 20, then that would be better, especially if it came at the expense of testing sessions in front of empty grandstands. All sports should be about pleasing their spectators and Formula One is no exception - except that sometimes it thinks it is. |
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I dont think i could take 30 magny cours in one season. That would deffinitly blow my buble that F1 is al nice and rosey
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A similar amount of 'work' goes into both I feel, but F1 has less races but more days when you test and can do up to two GP distances in a day. |
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16 Jul 2006, 13:51 (Ref:1657498) | #8 | ||
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30 races in america is different to 30 races world wide. Traveling costs would be sky high.
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Are there even enough F1 grade tracks in the world for an extended schedule? Personally, I would like to see more races and a greater number of grands prix on back to back weekends but considering how much the cars cost to run per race it's never going to happen unless they eliminate all testing and somehow make F1 'cheap'. |
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16 Jul 2006, 14:31 (Ref:1657527) | #10 | ||
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To extend the schedule, yeah. To get 30 is another matter. You could add Fuji (keep Suzuka too of course), Spa and Jerez stright away. Paul Ricard probably ist far off being useable.
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Paul Ricard has no grandstands and looks like someone attacked it with a box of crayons thanks to all the layouts painted on the surface.
I'm surprised Bernie turned it into a test track, hosting a GP there would have cost him nothing. |
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Well, it would give us something to watch until the first round of pitstops 30 weekends a year.
The thought has merit - and amazingly, it was JV who suggested it! Maybe they need to have a pre-season test like Moto-GP with a televised shootout at the end of it - an 'All Star' weekend of sorts. Possibly with no between race testing it would tighten things up a little. As for venues, they don't necessarily have to be flyaways, you could confine most of the season to Europe with great circuits there, but you would increase the flyaways adding circuits in places such as Dubai, probably another Japanese event and maybe even something in New Zealand when visiting Oz? |
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Paul Ricard said its very happy to host a "closed" GP for buisness people only. ITs not a roblem to construct temp grandtands anyway. If stream courses can do it, so can they.
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16 Jul 2006, 14:52 (Ref:1657551) | #14 | ||
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Don't see any problem. There were 20 odd F1 races in 1972-when there was a lot less money around. Drivers did support races and F2 & sports cars on weekends off.Countries & circuits are queing up to join.Britain could house at least 3 more at existing venues of Brands,Donington & Rockingham.
In 1962 I saw F1 races at Snetterton,Goodwood,Aintree(2)Silverstone & Crystal Palace.Had to miss the one held at Mallory Park same day as Crystal Palace-half the cars went to each! |
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16 Jul 2006, 16:37 (Ref:1657591) | #15 | ||
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I think the schedule could be up to 20-25 races. Yes, the crews have families, but most are doing a job they really like, don't they? Not everyone can say he or she works for Ferrari or McLaren.
If technology is limited from 2008 on, perhaps some of the money not used there can go for travelling costs... |
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While there are no "fly-away" races in NASCAR, the.cosmic.pope, travel is not the easy thing you make it to be. A quick look at a map of the US shows races everywhere from Dover, Delaware to California with stops in Texas, Georgia, etc.
Rob29, I remember the good old days as well when multiple races in one country was the norm and schedules were longer. Imagine what the budgets would be though! If 18 races = $250 million for Toyota, 30 races would be an easy $125 million more - I mean think of the expense involved in hauling all of those trees around to 12 more venues...I wonder if I could get a job as "Team Shrubber" or something? I can see it now: "JohnSSC, McLaren F1 Team Shrubber." I could have assistants wearing those crazy looking helmets the pit crew gets to wear, and kevlar watering cans with unobtanium handles, and a wind tunnel to measure the impact of the breeze! I could do computer simulations showing how the position of the trees would generate the Maximum Shade Effect! Make that budget $400 million for a 30 race season! Now where did I put Ron Dennis' number... |
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I think 20-25 races would be fine & wouldn't be a massive increase in expenditure as long as there was a massive cut in the amount of testing-Say 5 or 6 open days of testing in the winter & 3 more throughout the year + the Fridays at every race with a maximum of 4 cars in each testing session. Also encouraging teams to use numerous liveries on the non-race cars during testing sessions would attract more money to each team so they could afford to spend more. I think that it could be made to work quite well + with the reduction of testing there would be no increase in the amount of time spent away from home for the families, just that it would be structured slightly differently throughout the year.
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Oh sure- but as said before the bulk of the 25+ race season would be in Europe. the tracks are historic and certainly worth racing on.
italy has 2 races- Imola, and Monza (i know san Marino...) the UK can have 2-3 easy and close to most teams home, france can try Lemans and Magny cours, A1 ring? Assen? Spa again? the list goes on and on of great FIA apporved circuit a few HOURS DRIVe, not to mention train ride for many blokes to get to their families if this is a concern... it would be great- Estoril- jarama-jerez-barcelona the Iberian penninsula alone has a ton of races... |
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Its easy to name circuits we'd like, but none of these are Grade 1 circuits. Silverstone is the only one in the UK. Estoril failed back in the late 90s and hasnt gained Grade 1 status since. A1 Ring requires a complete rebuild as the grandstands and pit buildings have been demolished and several areas of the track being ripped up.
The list of tracks we want but cant have could be endless. |
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I think 20 races is a good number, and wouldnt cost much more if the testing was cut back.
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16 Jul 2006, 19:55 (Ref:1657702) | #23 | ||
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No matter how much you reduce the testing, any more than 22 or 24 races is not really practical, considering the cost of staging a race on a circuit with acceptable safety.
On another note, just because one driver has left F1 for NASCAR does not mean that everything F1 does is wrong and should be replaced by everything NASCAR does. This time last week JV would not have suggested this. |
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16 Jul 2006, 20:01 (Ref:1657709) | #24 | |
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Well he probably wouldn't have been asked.
I expect most drivers would rather do races than testing. Is this not a normal thing? |
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16 Jul 2006, 20:36 (Ref:1657741) | #25 | ||
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I'd like to see 25-30 races on a season. The costs shouldn't be a problem, they are spending enormous summs already in testing. To much testing is killing this sport anyway. These are my ten cents.
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