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Old 1 Jul 2004, 20:56 (Ref:1022953)   #1
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Whats the future of LMP's at Le Mans??

Yesterday, I went to a book store and picked up a Racecar Engineering magazine. One of the stories discussed the future of the LMP's at Le Mans. The article interviewed some engineers of some the past LMPs and what they thought could become of the class. Some think that GTS will take over to fight for overall, like in the 1950s. Others said that it will take time for the rules to set in before major manufactures come back with LMPS for outrght wins at Le Mans. 2004 and 2005 are being called "the transition years", as for 2006 will be the year to showcase new "works" LMPs at LM. I think that the LMP class will survive for the future races with Audi entering a "works" R9 for 2005 to be followed by other manufactures in 2006. What do you think will happen??!
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Old 1 Jul 2004, 21:01 (Ref:1022967)   #2
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I've been screaming GTS all day today, as I have been for some time. Have you got a pic of the new Audi A8? From what I've heard, it's some sort of supercar. How nice it is to have it introduced right after the Carrera. Interesting stuff.
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Old 1 Jul 2004, 21:44 (Ref:1023023)   #3
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If the ACO push GTS forward for overall wins, it will be in the form of the new Masserati, or something like the GT1 cars. IMO of course. But I feel the LMP class will continue on. Audi have made their intentions clear and perhaps Porsche will return as well. Zytek are very focussed on producing a hybrid, as are several others.

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Old 1 Jul 2004, 23:49 (Ref:1023126)   #4
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a hybrid Zytek? what's that??
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Old 2 Jul 2004, 00:09 (Ref:1023134)   #5
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The ACO stated the week of Le Mans that Prototypes would continue to be the top category. Add to that yesterday's annoucement from the ACO regarding the Maserati MC12, and it is clear they are asserting that direction.
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Old 2 Jul 2004, 00:18 (Ref:1023142)   #6
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Like MulsanneMike said, the ACO wants LMPs to be the at the top in Le Mans. And yes, 2004/05 are transition years, new rules have been implemented and the old chassis will gradually give place to new ones.

Chevyguy, are you sure about the Audi A8? The A8 is the limousine Audi, it's more recent generation has been around for at least a year, and it is hardly GT material...
Perhaps you are referring to the Audi Le Mans concept car, which used the base of a Lambo (can't remmember if it was the Murcielago or the Gallardo) but the engine had either a supercharger or a turbo, can't remmember well either. But there was never a definite answer whether it would become a production car or if it would be a concept car forever.

Osella, a hybrid Zytek is a Zytek adapted to the LMP1 regs, which is what Zytek will have to do if they don't wish to build a totaly new car. Currently the Zytek races in the LMP1 class, but under the old LMP675 rules.

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Old 2 Jul 2004, 06:37 (Ref:1023313)   #7
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The ACO stated the week of Le Mans that Prototypes would continue to be the top category. Add to that yesterday's annoucement from the ACO regarding the Maserati MC12, and it is clear they are asserting that direction.
Excuse my ignorance but what was yesterdays announcement regarding the MC12?
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Old 2 Jul 2004, 07:00 (Ref:1023328)   #8
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OK Cadete, there's no reason I would know better than you. What I got from Speed's coverage of Le Mans, was that they had a mid engine "supercar" there. I heard the A8 name used. Must have been talking about said limo. It hit me as a potential GTS car.

Maybe I'm just wishing Vette would win Le Mans, but it seems everybody talks LMP, yet the signs say GTS. You think maybe Porsche, VAG, and FIAT are kind of waiting around to see what happens? Regardless, Mike is pretty much the local authority on LMPs, so if he says LMP is here to stay, I beleive it.
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Le Mans should never be won by a GT(S) car. The prototype category (whatever we call it) should always be the top dog. And yes, thats just my own (but very strongly held) personal opinion which I know others don't necessarily share. I have no great problem with GT1s (as in the paast with the Toyota, McLaren, Nissan etc.) - they were stupendous cars. The prototype class should be the epitome of sports car racing at Le Mans.

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Chevyguy...We don't fully know what the C6R will be...Could it be based of the so called "Blue Devil" concept that is rumored from GM? We also do not know what the C6 Z06 will look like...It had been said it will be different than the baseline C6..Its possible to have a GTP car, Like the Corvette GTP a few years back? (wow what a car!).. I'm sure I am totally off the mark, but you never know! LMP will be the class, but I question if GT-1 should be...Sorry but the best car I have seen run in Lemans is the Toyota GT-One..I dunno..I do think however, prototypes should use future methods of power..Such as Diesel or a hybrid..Isn't a Proto about future technology?!
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Le Mans should never be won by a GT(S) car. The prototype category (whatever we call it) should always be the top dog. And yes, thats just my own (but very strongly held) personal opinion which I know others don't necessarily share. I have no great problem with GT1s (as in the paast with the Toyota, McLaren, Nissan etc.) - they were stupendous cars. The prototype class should be the epitome of sports car racing at Le Mans.

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My opinion exactly.

But what is the MC12 - should it be considered GTS or should it be puched into a new GT1 type class - I tend to think the latter.
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My opinion exactly.

But what is the MC12 - should it be considered GTS or should it be puched into a new GT1 type class - I tend to think the latter.
I agree - but then there is the danger of having yet another class. I sometimes feel that there are too many "similar" classes already (really just thinking about LMP2 here- although i do appreciate its benefits).

Also should the rules be changed just to encorporate a new car? (i'd love to see it rcae though). My view is if the car fits the rules - it races, if not- then it doesn't. Stability of the rules is whats required and if Maser have developed a car that doesn't fit - that's pretty stupid and ignorant IMHO.
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Excuse my ignorance but what was yesterdays announcement regarding the MC12?
Apparently the ACO have rejected the MC12. In order for it to race at Le Mans they have cited that the car needs to be shortened by 15 cm and narrowed by 10 cm. Maserati have apparently accepted this and are aiming at Le Mans 2006 with a compliant car. In the mean time the car could still compete in the FIA championship but that is still being negotiated. This all according to Autosport via dailysportscar.
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If Maserati is about to modify the MC12 just for Le Mans they are very very serious about it, and I am not just saying them winning GTS. Does anyone think this car has the chance of winning overall??
The testing times at Paul Ricard donīt seem that fast, but just remember the 1996 Porsche GT1, they were not thinking about winning its class, it was aimed at an overall victory...
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I expect that with the amount of development involved in this car anything less than class win would be a disappointment. I expect that the real target (a la Macca F1) is an overall win.
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