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Old 17 Aug 2009, 06:29 (Ref:2522766)   #1
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Why the angst between bike marshals and car marshals?

Morning peeps,

I've been marshaling for a few years, but am taking part in my first bike event at combe this coming saturday.

Which brings me to ask why there appears to be tension between bike marshals and car marshals?

Any opinions please?

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Old 17 Aug 2009, 07:41 (Ref:2522785)   #2
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Never really come across any real animosity between the two sets of Marshals.
I know a lot of people do both disciplines, but I think a lot of the perceived problems are that those who only do one or the other are probably unsure of what the duties are and how they are carried out.
Did the Plum Pudding meeting a few years back (mixture of Cars & Bikes) and the main problem then seemed to be that the Bike Marshals seemed very reluctant to get involved with dealing with anything with 4 wheels. Don’t know if the problem was that they were unsure as to what to do, or the thinking “it’s cars – leave it to the others!”

Can’t say it’s a mutual distrust – just perhaps lack of “crossover” of information.
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 08:23 (Ref:2522804)   #3
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I think like Stroller that it is more of a lack of understanding between the two disciplines. I had a big barney with a Bike marshal that was running the post at the Plum Pudding. At the begining of the meeting we came to an agreement that the Bile marshals would take charge for the Bike sessions and the Car marshals would take place during the Car sessions. We had a Red flag during one of the Car sessions, heard it on my scanner so waited to see other Red flags go around the circuit, the Bike marshal then started demanding I put the red out althought I could not see it at any other posts. When I saw it at the post before mine, as that was closer to start finish line, I displayed mine.

The bike marshal then commenced to give me a dressing down and would not accept that we wait until we see a Red as it always starts at S/F line, and also would not back down when we said "but at the begining of the day we said that car marshals would run car sessions and bike marshals would run bike sessions"

So a lack of understanding caused a car vs bike marshal argument on post even though we thought we had covered that off by the agreement at the beginning of the meeting.
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 09:06 (Ref:2522820)   #4
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Never come across any problems between the two sets of Marshals.
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 09:53 (Ref:2522844)   #5
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it definetly does exist. i know this from working with bike marshals at trackdays. in all honesty i dont think it is anything personal at all, it just seems to be a lack of knowledge over each set of procedures and what is deemed safe and unsafe.
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 10:04 (Ref:2522855)   #6
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I think its a lack of understanding of each discipline that causes arguments between marshals....
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 12:10 (Ref:2522931)   #7
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many of the marshals at croft are bike marshals and have never encountered a problem, they infact help you understand the differences in the two disiplines

Although saying that we have a couple of guys who do both and spend the whole time at car meetings saying "i hate car racing" makes me wonder if they do the same at the bike meets? Thats the only time i have had a negative experience and i did ask why they where there if they didnt enjoy it but recieved no response!!
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 12:50 (Ref:2522957)   #8
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I don't do bike meetings because I'm not too keen on clearing up the sort of accidents bike marshals deal with, and my experience of cars doesn't help - in fact it probably hinders since what is normal for cars is not for bikes and vice versa. On one occasion where we had bikes at a car meeting I was fortunate enough to be on a post where we had a regular bike marshal, and although I was I/O at the time (well, I think I was, it was a long time ago) I was happy to declare myself a novice for this discipline and hand over control to him.

A marshal is a marshal is a marshal, and I don't understand the antagonism that sometimes exists between disciplines, circuits, colours, etc. You just have to appreciate that if you're doing something or somewhere new, the regulars probably know what they're doing under their systems and it's your job to understand it and fit in as best you can.
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 16:42 (Ref:2523102)   #9
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 18:03 (Ref:2523148)   #10
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Maybe these threads might help a little

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110096

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105780

2nd thread goes on to explain some of the feelings between bike & car marshals.

Most of us get on really well, but as in normal life there are personality clashes, I'm better than you views, mines bigger than yours etc etc. You get the picture.
Unfortunately we only remember the ones who don't get on or the ones that cause arguments not the ones who work together well & have a good safe day on the bank.
1 thing though, bike marshals do have a bit missing ( I do both)
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 18:36 (Ref:2523162)   #11
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I agree wholeheartedly with Woolley.

I marshal mostly car meetings (around 45 days a year) but I LOVE bike racing and started adding a few to my volunteering form a few years ago. I relish the WSB and BSB at Silverstone and cannot wait for us to host Moto GP.

I have been very warmly welcomed at bike meetings (in spite of wearing black) and have never encountered any animosity whatsoever.

Cars and bikes are VERY different disciplines and different rules, therefore, apply. We need to respect those who know best in a given situation and be willing, sometimes, to take a back seat and simply assist.

We meet all sorts of people along the way ... in our working, professional, personal and volunteering lives. There are, inevitably, good/bad/indifferent ... and numpties! Let's just all enjoy what we enjoy and, most importantly, DO IT SAFELY (please).

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Old 17 Aug 2009, 18:50 (Ref:2523173)   #12
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I did a couple of club meets last year at Brands and the BSB at Thruxton this year. Never had a problem.

Under the probans we are all the same.
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Bit like bike riders & car drivers - most get along fine, but some of each carry enormous chips and are best avoided. Me? I'm scared of bikes ....
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Which brings me to ask why there appears to be tension between bike marshals and car marshals?
More like a friendly banter down here.

The hands & feet level marshals from both sides get along quite well here in Victoria as many do duty at both types of events and it's usually no more than the usual stirring you get between rival footy teams.
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Old 18 Aug 2009, 08:03 (Ref:2523514)   #15
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No probems here @ Mallory, there's half a dozen or so of us who do both. we no angst at all.
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