F1 2008 Round 18 : XXXVII Brazilian Grand Prix October 31 to November 2

duke_toaster · 28 Oct 2008, 17:14 (Ref:2322696)

This year's Formula One season comes to an end at the Autódromo José Carlos Pace at Interlagos, Brazil. This circuit was resurfaced for last year and should be less bumpy than it was before. Sadly.

We come to the race with neither title decided. Lewis Hamilton leads the WDC by seven points from Brazil's Felipe Massa. Following his sixth placed finish in China, BMW's Robert Kubica's dream of becoming the first ever Pole to be World Driver's Champion will have to wait until next year.

The Constructor's Championship is less close, but just as exciting. Ferrari have an eleven point lead over McLaren-Mercedes. Not impossible, but challenging.

Weekend timetable

Local time in Sao Paulo

All times are local

Friday

10:00 : Free practice session one
14:00 : Free practice session two

Saturday

11:00 : Free practice session three
14:00 : Qualifying session

Sunday

15:00 : Brazilian Grand Prix.

What Felipe Massa must do to win the WDC this year

If Lewis Hamilton finishes in the top five, Felipe Massa cannot win the WDC and Lewis Hamilton will be 2008 World Champion.
If Lewis Hamilton finishes sixth (3 points) and Felipe Massa wins the race, Felipe Massa will be 2008 World Champion by virtue of most Grands Prix won. If Massa does not win in this case, Lewis Hamilton will be the 2008 World Champion.
If Lewis Hamilton finishes seventh (2 points), and Felipe Massa wins the race, Felipe Massa will be the 2008 World Champion by one point.
If Lewis Hamilton finishes eighth (one point), and Felipe Massa wins the race he will win the 2008 World Championship by two points. If Felipe Massa were to come second in this case he would become WDC by virtue of races won.
If Lewis Hamilton scores no points, any top two position finish for Felipe Massa would make him World Championship by points.

Roll of Honour (just to make the thread more epic)

Year	Brazilian Grand Prix winner	World Champion driver	World Champion Constructor
1950	Race not held	Nino Farina	Not awarded
1951	Race not held	JM Fangio	Not awarded
1952	Race not held	Alberto Ascari	Not awarded
1953	Race not held	Alberto Ascari	Not awarded
1954	Race not held	JM Fangio	Not awarded
1955	Race not held	JM Fangio	Not awarded
1956	Race not held	JM Fangio	Not awarded
1957	Race not held	JM Fangio	Not awarded
1958	Race not held	Mike Hawthorn	Vanwall
1959	Race not held	Jack Brabham	Cooper-Climax
1960	Race not held	Jack Brabham	Cooper-Climax
1961	Race not held	Phil Hill	Ferrari
1962	Race not held	Graham Hill	BRM
1963	Race not held	Jim Clark	Lotus-Climax
1964	Race not held	John Surtees	Ferrari
1965	Race not held	Jim Clark	Lotus-Climax
1966	Race not held	Jack Brabham	Brabham-Repco
1967	Race not held	Denny Hulme	Brabham-Repco
1968	Race not held	Graham Hill	Lotus-Ford
1969	Race not held	Jackie Stewart	Matra-Ford
1970	Race not held	Jochen Rindt	Lotus-Ford
1971	Race not held	Jackie Stewart	Tyrrell-Ford
1972	Carlos Reutemann	Emerson Fittipaldi	Lotus-Ford
1973	Emerson Fittipaldi	Jackie Stewart	Lotus-Ford
1974	Emerson Fittipaldi	Emerson Fittipaldi	McLaren-Ford
1975	Carlos Pace	Niki Lauda	Ferrari
1976	Niki Lauda	James Hunt	Ferrari
1977	Carlos Reutemann	Niki Lauda	Ferrari
1978	Carlos Reutemann	Mario Andretti	Lotus-Ford
1979	Jacques Laffite	Jody Schekter	Ferrari
1980	René Arnoux	Alan Jones	Williams-Ford
1981	Carlos Reutemann	Nelson Piquet	Williams-Ford
1982	Alain Prost	Keke Rosberg	Ferrari
1983	Nelson Piquet	Nelson Piquet	Ferrari
1984	Alain Prost	Niki Lauda	McLaren-TAG
1985	Alain Prost	Alain Prost	McLaren-TAG
1986	Nelson Piquet	Alain Prost	Williams-Honda
1987	Alain Prost	Nelson Piquet	Williams-Honda
1988	Alain Prost	Ayrton Senna	McLaren-Honda
1989	Nigel Mansell	Alain Prost	McLaren-Honda
1990	Alain Prost	Ayrton Senna	McLaren-Honda
1991	Ayrton Senna	Ayrton Senna	McLaren-Honda
1992	Nigel Mansell	Nigel Mansell	Williams-Renault
1993	Ayrton Senna	Alain Prost	Williams-Renault
1994	Michael Schumacher	Michael Schumacher	Williams-Renault
1995	Michael Schumacher	Michael Schumacher	Benetton-Renault
1996	Damon Hill	Damon Hill	Williams-Renault
1997	Jacques Villeneuve	Jacques Villeneuve	Williams-Renault
1998	Mika Häkkinen	Mika Häkkinen	McLaren-Mercedes
1999	Mika Häkkinen	Mika Häkkinen	Ferrari
2000	Michael Schumacher	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari
2001	David Coulthard	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari
2002	Michael Schumacher	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari
2003	Giancarlo Fisichella	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari
2004	Juan Pablo Montoya	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari
2005	Juan Pablo Montoya	Fernando Alonso	Renault
2006	Felipe Massa	Fernando Alonso	Renault
2007	Kimi Räikkönen	Kimi Räikkönen	Ferrari
2008	?

Weather Forecast and Links

BBC
TimeAndDate
Predictions contest

Marbot · 28 Oct 2008, 20:18 (Ref:2322792)

Interesting BBC weather forecast.Heavy rain showers with well below normal temperatures on Friday and Saturday.Rain showers also on Sunday.It should be noted that the GP is taking place a little bit later in the season than usual.

McLaren are said to be using a new rear wing and other modifications for this race.Still a question mark against Lewis's engine and I believe his gearbox is on either its third or fourth race!

duke_toaster · 28 Oct 2008, 20:26 (Ref:2322804)

I don't remember any Prancing Donkeys taking a gearbox marchback this year (unless you are permitted to change it when you do an unscheduled engine change), so everyone would be in the same boat. As for two race engines the Mercedes unit is quite reliable unlike the Ferraris which have had issues ...

Marbot · 28 Oct 2008, 20:32 (Ref:2322813)

McLaren have also had one or two engine issues,but in general the current F1 engines and gearboxes are far too reliable.

djinvicta · 28 Oct 2008, 20:51 (Ref:2322847)

While I appreciate duke toaster and the great intro; wheres Cougar?
Hes become the introductory icon for GPs this year, with thanks. Duke Toaster, thanks for the info.

**Born Racer** · 28 Oct 2008, 21:25 (Ref:2322884)

I like reliability as it places a premium on performance, and allows for a drivers championship to be a more equally decided thing. It also means we have more cars racing each other throughout the duration of races.

duke_toaster · 28 Oct 2008, 22:09 (Ref:2322969)

Quote:

Originally Posted by djinvicta

While I appreciate duke toaster and the great intro; wheres Cougar?
Hes become the introductory icon for GPs this year, with thanks. Duke Toaster, thanks for the info.

Well, Knowlsey started it, he delegated it to me, I did one or two and then became a lazy bum, Cougar did them and then I stopped being a lazy bum

Sodemo · 28 Oct 2008, 22:10 (Ref:2322973)

A wet GP finalé would be an absolute treat.

**Born Racer** · 28 Oct 2008, 22:32 (Ref:2322992)

It's quite a natural circuit in that it appears to follow the topography of the land. Some say it's not as good as the old circuit though.

I'm excited.

Knowlesy · 28 Oct 2008, 22:53 (Ref:2323009)

I love this circuit. The perfect place to have the final race.

Marbot · 29 Oct 2008, 00:41 (Ref:2323052)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

The perfect place to have the final race.

It's in Abu wotsname (sand pit) next season.Somehow I don't think it will be the same.

JeremySmith · 29 Oct 2008, 00:58 (Ref:2323056)

I can hardly wait to see Lewis kick....

Marbot · 29 Oct 2008, 01:28 (Ref:2323069)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I can hardly wait to see Lewis kick....

...one of the stewards after it is found that his car is "too silvery".

**Bononi** · 29 Oct 2008, 01:40 (Ref:2323074)

And here we are !

Whoever wins it, the trophy is a nice piece of work.

Racer 35 · 29 Oct 2008, 07:09 (Ref:2323155)

All the best to both contenders.

I just hope there are no reliability issues, no team cock-ups, and no intervention from the stewards (needed, or un-needed). A nice dogfight with the 2 guys on top form.... to the winner, the spoils!

May be too much to ask for, but one can hope, eh?

ralf fan · 29 Oct 2008, 13:54 (Ref:2323515)

All I can say is , no penalties or post race shenanigans please.

Super Hans · 29 Oct 2008, 13:55 (Ref:2323518)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer 35

All the best to both contenders.

I just hope there are no reliability issues, no team cock-ups, and no intervention from the stewards (needed, or un-needed). A nice dogfight with the 2 guys on top form.... to the winner, the spoils!

May be too much to ask for, but one can hope, eh?

Amen to that.

Mind, I'll still be pretty sore about Spa if Hamilton doesn't win the title.

Cougar · 29 Oct 2008, 15:58 (Ref:2323603)

Ah OOOPS... Seems I missed the boat

Was about to come do the thread but I see it's already been done

Good job duketoaster!!

Ill work on a few of my tables and post in a bit...

Cougar · 29 Oct 2008, 16:29 (Ref:2323618)

Drivers standings AFTER the CHINESE GP (unofficial)

	Driver	Team																		PTS
1	Hamilton	McLaren	10	4	P13	6	8	10	RET	P10	10	10	4	8	6	2	6	P12	10	94
2	Massa	Ferrari	RET	RET	10	8	10	6	4	10	P13	6	P17	10	10	3	P13	2	8	87
3	Kubica	BMW	RET	8	6	5	5	8	10	4	RET	2	1	6	3	6	P11	8	3	75
4	Raikkonen	Ferrari	1	10	8	10	6	P9	RET	8	5	3	6	RET	P18	P9	P15	6	6	69
5	Heidfeld	BMW	8	3	5	P9	4	P14	8	P13	8	5	P10	P9	8	4	3	P9	4	60
6	Alonso	Renault	5	1	P10	RET	3	P10	RET	1	3	P11	5	RET	5	5	10	10	5	53
7	Kovalainen	McLaren	4	6	4	RET	P12	1	P9	5	4	4	10	5	P10	8	P10	RET	RET	51
8	Vettel	STR	RET	RET	RET	RET	P17	4	1	P12	RET	1	RET	3	4	10	4	3	P9	30
9	Trulli	Toyota	RET	5	3	1	P10	P13	3	6	2	P9	2	4	P16	P13	RET	4	RET	30
10	Glock	Toyota	RET	RET	P9	P11	P13	P12	5	P11	P12	RET	8	2	P9	P11	5	RET	2	22
11	Webber	RBR	RET	2	2	4	2	5	P12	3	P10	RET	P9	P12	1	1	RET	1	P14	21
12	Piquet Jnr	Renault	RET	P11	RET	RET	P15	RET	RET	2	RET	8	3	P11	RET	P10	RET	5	1	19
13	Rosberg	Williams	6	P14	1	RET	1	RET	P10	P16	P9	P10	P14	1	P12	P14	8	P11	P15	17
14	Barrichello	Honda	DSQ	P13	P11	RET	P14	3	2	P14	6	RET	P16	P16	RET	P17	RET	P13	P11	11
15	Nakajima	Williams	3	P17	P14	2	RET	2	RET	P15	1	P14	P13	P15	P14	P12	1	P15	P12	9
16	Coulthard	RBR	RET	P9	P18	P12	P9	RET	6	P9	RET	P13	P11	P17	P11	P16	2	RET	P10	8
17	Bourdais	STR	2	RET	P15	RET	RET	RET	P13	P17	P11	P12	P18	P10	2	P18	P12	P10	P13	4
18	Button	Honda	RET	P10	RET	3	P11	P11	P11	RET	RET	P17	P12	P13	P15	P15	P9	P14	P16	3
19	Fisichella	Force India	RET	P12	P12	P10	RET	RET	RET	P18	RET	P16	P15	P14	P17	RET	P14	RET	P17	0
20	Sutil	Force India	RET	RET	P19	RET	P16	RET	RET	P19	RET	P15	RET	RET	P13	P19	RET	RET	RET	0
21	Sato*	SA	RET	P16	P17	P13	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	0
22	Davidson*	SA	RET	P15	P16	RET	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	DNS	0

Cougar · 29 Oct 2008, 16:31 (Ref:2323619)

Constructors standings

	Team	Points
	McLaren-Mercedes	145

Car Graphics by Andy Blackmore Design

Brazilian GP: Recent Results

Year	1st place	2nd place	3rd place
2007	Kimi Räikkönen	Felipe Massa	Fernando Alonso
2006	Felipe Massa	Fernando Alonso	Jenson Button
2005	Juan Pablo Montoya	Kimi Räikkönen	Fernando Alonso

	Driver	Laptime
2007 Fastest lap	Kimi Räikkönen	1.12.445
2007 pole position	Felipe Massa	1.11.931
Lap record	Juan Pablo Montoya	1.11.473(2004)

Brazilian Grand Prix Time Table

DAY	LOCAL Time	UK Time
Fri 31st October 2008
Friday Practice 1	10:00-11:30	12:00-13:30
Friday Practice2	14:00-15:30	16:00-17:30

Sat 1st November 2008
Saturday Practice	11:00-12:00	13:00-14:00
Qualifying	14:00	16:00

Sun 2nd November 2008
Race	15:00	17:00

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Enjoy the last race of the season!

BeeJ · 29 Oct 2008, 18:31 (Ref:2323701)

Hope I can avoid all news of GP until I get to watch it on Sky+ as I am marshaling at Silverstone this weekend. I hope it is a good clean race and the bets man on the day wins.

Teretonga · 29 Oct 2008, 19:20 (Ref:2323748)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

I love this circuit. The perfect place to have the final race.

I always preferred Brazil as the opening round of the championship, and the circuit?
The old Interlagos (long) was a cracker although I personally preferred the Rio circuit myself.

Still I echo the feelings of others- No penalties or post race bulls-ups.
No FIA interference in the final result.... please?

**Bononi** · 30 Oct 2008, 00:26 (Ref:2323932)

Well, Hamilton already started his training today :

Marbot · 30 Oct 2008, 01:05 (Ref:2323938)

Looks like he's really pushing that kart to its limits.

JeremySmith · 30 Oct 2008, 01:40 (Ref:2323947)

How are the tyres holding up then?

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