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Old 25 Sep 2018, 13:10 (Ref:3852613)   #496
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Shame, it would good to see TOC back, I feel he has unfinished business in the BTCC
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Old 25 Sep 2018, 13:24 (Ref:3852616)   #497
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Shame, it would good to see TOC back, I feel he has unfinished business in the BTCC
Definitely agree!

On another topic, I’ve heard of more potential car shuffling coming up, so not sure if someone is ‘upgrading’ or ‘shipping out’ to enable their cars to be sold on elsewhere on the grid!
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Old 25 Sep 2018, 13:35 (Ref:3852618)   #498
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he says in BOTH the BTCC and elsewhere. he doesnt say in either the BTCC or elsewhere does he?

the quote from the boss of pirtek only talks about the BTCC.

i have no idea why you are trying to undermine the clear announcement they made about staying in the BTCC until end of 2021!! your making yourself look a little silly with all due respect
I don't think we are reading the same article.

Jordan says BTCC and elsewhere, not specifically at the same time though and is hedging his bets in case he finds himself without a drive in the BTCC.

Stuckey only refers to the BTCC in the past tense - makes no commitment to the future as a definite BTCC situation.

Would you say they are more, or less confirmed to be on the grid than the following quotes:

'So for 2018 I am really excited to be part of Team HARD Brisky Racing again. [...] I’m also eligible for the Jack Sears Trophy so will do everything I can to challenge for that honour, and of course the Independent Drivers’ championship'

'We’ve got a whole new set up this year with the RS and a new team-mate in Tom on-board for the season. It’s going to be an exciting season, and we’re hopeful that the changes will put us in good stead to battle for the BTCC title this year'
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Old 25 Sep 2018, 13:44 (Ref:3852620)   #499
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every single magazine and website that published that story about jordan and pirtek was about them staying in the btcc until end of 2021.

but you go ahead and put whatever spin you like on it. i dont care anymore. i give up.
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Old 25 Sep 2018, 14:28 (Ref:3852628)   #500
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every single magazine and website that published that story about jordan and pirtek was about them staying in the btcc until end of 2021.

but you go ahead and put whatever spin you like on it. i dont care anymore. i give up.
Agree, the official statement is they are in partnership till the end of the 2021 BTCC season, why would you commit to the end of a racing series you are not in.

However I think the point crmalcolm is making is that he may have the sponsor but like messers Hill and Jackson he may find himself without a car.

Tho this is unlikely as I understand Pirtek pay a massive sponsorship in advance
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Old 25 Sep 2018, 14:44 (Ref:3852633)   #501
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However I think the point crmalcolm is making is that he may have the sponsor but like messers Hill and Jackson he may find himself without a car.

Tho this is unlikely as I understand Pirtek pay a massive sponsorship in advance
Exactly that. It is unlikely, but not in the realms of impossible.

We have already seen drivers with a significant level of talent and backing without a drive in the BTCC, so why should it be any different for Jordan?

He has already moved his sponsorship to a few teams now, and if BMW ever look to run a pure factory only package (as DB has alluded to in the past), then WSR may not require the backing.

I think it is great that a driver can have such a long-term deal in place, but there are too many factors outside of Pirtek/AJ control to assume blindly that he is guaranteed to be in BTCC for another 3 years.

He's already driven Honda, MG, Ford and BMW under the Pirtek banner - if he finds himself out at WSR then aside from a return to a former marque, then PMR seems to be the only other option.

(Getting beaten by the team Rookie at Silverstone will not have helped his long-term WSR/BMW situation).
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Agree, the official statement is they are in partnership till the end of the 2021 BTCC season, why would you commit to the end of a racing series you are not in.

However I think the point crmalcolm is making is that he may have the sponsor but like messers Hill and Jackson he may find himself without a car.

Tho this is unlikely as I understand Pirtek pay a massive sponsorship in advance
They do, and AJ to the best of my knowledge hasn't broken any contracts, which is why Hill and likely Jackson were sidelined.
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Old 25 Sep 2018, 16:48 (Ref:3852649)   #503
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They do, and AJ to the best of my knowledge hasn't broken any contracts, which is why Hill and likely Jackson were sidelined.
Well I'm sure the 888Mg and Motorbase deals were 2 year deals, but there are still plausible reasons he may not be on the grid till 2021 guaranteed.
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Old 25 Sep 2018, 17:17 (Ref:3852652)   #504
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They were all amicably ended, at least that's how the stories went.

I think the only certs with AJ are he's a good driver and he'll be in a blue car somewhere!
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Is that definitely a rule? Only thing I am aware of is that they needed to be in production and available retail through dealers in the UK at point of homologation

AMD haven't spent time and money developing and enhancing a btcc car and getting an association with a brand that they need to put in the bin after 1 season
Have AmD become the 'manufacturer’s normal dealer network' for homologation purpose with the MG6?

http://www.btcc.net/2018/09/27/the-r...oad-going-mg6/
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They were all amicably ended, at least that's how the stories went.

I think the only certs with AJ are he's a good driver and he'll be in a blue car somewhere!
Definitely racing somewhere. The Motorbase partnership ended due to commercial reasons, so it is far from a stretch to imagine the same situation occurring elsewhere.

Turkington has said recently that the involvement of BMW has allowed him to become a full-time driver, and Collard is part of the BMW motorsport programme. Jordan seems to be the spare part at the moment, so the deciding factor could be the level of influence BMW place on the team...
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Definitely racing somewhere. The Motorbase partnership ended due to commercial reasons, so it is far from a stretch to imagine the same situation occurring elsewhere.

Turkington has said recently that the involvement of BMW has allowed him to become a full-time driver, and Collard is part of the BMW motorsport programme. Jordan seems to be the spare part at the moment, so the deciding factor could be the level of influence BMW place on the team...
I am pretty sure the AJ/Pirtek/WSR deal was inked before BMW confirmed their involvement so yes there may now be commercial pressures.
He has also underperformed a little for me, he hasnt really been "on it" probably since early 2014
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Old 27 Sep 2018, 20:55 (Ref:3853042)   #508
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More positive news regarding Jake Hill for next year -

https://twitter.com/simonmhill/statu...151202305?s=21

With all due respect I hope he'll end up a bit further grid than AmD.
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More positive news regarding Jake Hill for next year -

https://twitter.com/simonmhill/statu...151202305?s=21

With all due respect I hope he'll end up a bit further grid than AmD.
I'd respect him a lot more if he just showed a bit of personality himself and didn't have Daddy shouting his mouth as his social media voice,
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More positive news regarding Jake Hill for next year -

https://twitter.com/simonmhill/statu...151202305?s=21

With all due respect I hope he'll end up a bit further grid than AmD.
AmD might be a chunk further forward next year if the new metal (to them) rumours have legs...
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