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Old 28 Jun 2022, 08:50 (Ref:4117297)   #16
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I dare say folk the age I am now (a day younger than Putin, I noted in The Times the other day . Eek ) were writing forlorn letters to MN and Autosport in 2002 , bemoaning the migration of correspondents to that there new fangled internet ... Plus ca change, plus ca la meme chose .

On topic , there is still a lot of excellent motorsport in this country , you just need to seek it out. I attend a wide range of stuff and crowds and participation at Autograss, drag racing and speed hillclimbs seem to me to be little changed over the last decades . Good numbers, enthusiastic and passionate about their sport .

With racing , it is more nuanced. Somebody mentioned Croft above and I can report a very healthy and keen crowd at Croft BTCC this weekend. People my age seem to delight in sneering at BTCC but with some reservations (gazebo related) it offers a great day out and some super racing - Ginettas were almost like FF1600 in their intensity. And a good show is put on - good commentary, access to grid and no endless delays and radio silence .

I am an incorrigible enthusiast, so I attend a lot of stuff , but I fully understand why the public stays away. Who on earth is going to endure thin grids , hour long lunch breaks, awful food , terrible programmes and delights such as a 4 hour long Fun Cup race, or hour long processions in some poorly supported races at historic club meetings delusionally branded as 'Festivals'?

Spec formulae can work - Ginettas, much missed Tuscans , Sevens etc but many are awfully dull . Folk prefer to see a brave little Mini or Westfield dicing with a Mustang, WTCC car or an Aussie V8 supercar. My local series , Northern Saloons and Sports Cars , offers wonderful diversity and I am sure the public love to see brawny V8s dice with bike engined minnows .

Too many clubs fish in the same pond - historics seem especially bad at this - and I'd love to see more inter club co-operation and less rivalry, with guest races and so on.

Blatant plug alert - in 2019 my book* about (inter alia ) a year(2017) in British motor sport was published . I wrote portraits of over twenty events over a range of disciplines, from VSCC trials to Goodwood to BTCC and hill climbs and interviewed as many people as I could , from Le Mans winners to weekend warriors, marshals and commentators. I then drew conclusions about what was good , what wasn't so good and suggested ways in which we might improve. The points I made still stand .

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Old 28 Jun 2022, 10:06 (Ref:4117304)   #17
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Ageing enthusiasts replaced by corporate customers creating rising costs and professional race teams rewriting history.

Add to that repetition and saturation.

Thats before you consider the state of the nation.
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Old 28 Jun 2022, 10:26 (Ref:4117309)   #18
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Agreed Joe, historic racing becoming more and more professional is one reason.
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Old 28 Jun 2022, 13:17 (Ref:4117329)   #19
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Combination of things I think…covid, economy, overly professional historic racing, all have had a part to play…I still lurk here on a daily basis though, just lacking in anything intelligent/interesting to post!
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Old 28 Jun 2022, 14:02 (Ref:4117335)   #20
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Casual spectators get drawn by celebrities like Lewis Hamilton, Valentino Rossi and Travis Pastrana.


It doesn't matter to them if cars overtake or sound different each other.
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Old 28 Jun 2022, 17:18 (Ref:4117352)   #21
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I disagree - casual spectators may like names, but they really , really like overtaking . I was with a very animated crowd of people who I'd term as casual - go to local BTCC round every year and nothing else - and they were very animated at close Ginetta racing , with lots of cheers and much applause at the end .
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Old 29 Jun 2022, 09:19 (Ref:4117421)   #22
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Combination of things I think…covid, economy, overly professional historic racing, all have had a part to play…I still lurk here on a daily basis though, just lacking in anything intelligent/interesting to post!
Likewise!

To be clear, the standard of restoration and preparation going up is a good thing, and even us amateurs have raised our game, cars are safer and more reliable. but the level the 'professionals' go to is a significant part of the problem.

reinventing the wheel is not an 'historic' pursuit. It is a significant reason for the exodus. IMO.
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Old 29 Jun 2022, 14:53 (Ref:4117478)   #23
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yes, for a while traffic went from forums (bulletin boards) like this to Facebook.
This has ceased, completely
Facebook now is for the older user...
My sons deleted the FB app from their phones.

Traffic and dialogues have migrated from FB into Whattsapp chats, my family has several, for different subgroups

Historic Formula Junior creates one for every race, and they are lively
Historic FF operates one

I just convinced my fraternity to start one, for the annual reunion.
a roaring success

my weekly bike-meet operates one, and it keeps the group together

the problem with this medium is, that one needs to get invited, i.e. one needs to know a member...

Then there are Telegram channels
and, possible TikTok, which is not really relevant in the context of historic racings

This forum is some sort of living dinosaur, precious, but doomed

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Old 29 Jun 2022, 15:12 (Ref:4117481)   #24
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yes, for a while traffic went from forums (bulletin boards) like this to Facebook.
This has ceased, completely
Facebook now is for the older user...
My sons deleted the FB app from their phones.

Traffic and dialogues have migrated from FB into Whattsapp chats, my family has several, for different subgroups

Historic Formula Junior creates one for every race, and they are lively
Historic FF operates one

I just convinced my fraternity to start one, for the annual reunion.
a roaring success

my weekly bike-meet operates one, and it keeps the group together

the problem with this medium is, that one needs to get invited, i.e. one needs to know a member...

Then there are Telegram channels
and, possible TikTok, which is not really relevant in the context of historic racings

This forum is some sort of living dinosaur, precious, but doomed

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Old 29 Jun 2022, 15:17 (Ref:4117483)   #25
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Life and technolgy move on, but sometimes they get out of step. Recently i told an acquaintance I would send him a CD of pictures, he burst out laughing. A CD ? No send me an link to an album!

And I thought I was up-to-date. Having just turned 85 I am still learning - just how out of touch I am.
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Old 29 Jun 2022, 19:13 (Ref:4117511)   #26
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Life and technolgy move on, but sometimes they get out of step. Recently i told an acquaintance I would send him a CD of pictures, he burst out laughing. A CD ? No send me an link to an album!

And I thought I was up-to-date. Having just turned 85 I am still learning - just how out of touch I am.

Hey - I was really impressed with myself when I worked out how to upload photos from a whatsapp message to my laptop so I could post them here
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Old 30 Jun 2022, 06:21 (Ref:4117545)   #27
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If you had the Tapatalk app like I do you wouldn't need to upload to your PC, the images are in your phone gallery.

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Old 30 Jun 2022, 07:32 (Ref:4117555)   #28
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I had some music to conver

Had it carved onto vinyl.

We transfer was used to send it to the carvers.

You can get the contents of the average English brain on a memory stick smaller than a book of matches, with room to spare. The advantage being you only have to punch the information in once.
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Old 30 Jun 2022, 07:48 (Ref:4117558)   #29
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I note that Jacob Ebrey, the photographer, uses we transfer to send all his pics. Considering the average size of a RAW file is likely to be approx 15mb and the number of photos a weekend will provide, it's an impressive service.
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