Home Mobile Forum News Cookbook FaceBook Us T-Shirts etc.: Europe/Worldwide. eBay Motorsport Links Advertising  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Single Seater Racing > National & International Single Seaters


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 31 Oct 2018, 21:40 (Ref:3860221)   #61
Woolley
Race Official
Veteran
 
Woolley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
England
Wolverhampton, England
Posts: 12,218
Woolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
I don't see the point. One sport where women can compete as equals and someone seems to think they need a series of there own where the inevitable jibe will be 'they only beat a bunch of other women'.

One of the few on the lists given who really seems to fit the target drivers is Jamie Chadwick, and I don't think she needs this series. Just put some of the funding her way for a 'proper; championship and watch her go.

Media series, not motor race series. I guess someone will be making money out of this, or at least hoping to, and mainly it won't be the ladies on the grid.
Woolley is offline  
__________________
Bill Bryson: It is no longer permitted to be stupid and slow. You must choose one or the other.
Quote
Old 1 Nov 2018, 22:36 (Ref:3860436)   #62
Juntos
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,756
Juntos should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridJuntos should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid

Quote:
Originally Posted by Woolley View Post
Media series, not motor race series. I guess someone will be making money out of this, or at least hoping to, and mainly it won't be the ladies on the grid.
Very good point. Someone is taking advantage of this female bullshit thing sponsored by FIA.
Juntos is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Nov 2018, 03:46 (Ref:3866765)   #63
Asa
Veteran
 
Asa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Hong Kong
Disneyland
Posts: 1,172
Asa should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woolley View Post
I don't see the point. One sport where women can compete as equals and someone seems to think they need a series of there own where the inevitable jibe will be 'they only beat a bunch of other women'.
That's what we tell Serena Williams all the time. She does not deserve any of her Grand Slams because she never beat Nadal or Federer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Woolley View Post
Media series, not motor race series. I guess someone will be making money out of this, or at least hoping to, and mainly it won't be the ladies on the grid.
I suppose you mean F1 and EPL make very little money out of the media?

I am sure there are women in the world who really believe they can compete as equals with men in F1. But history shows us that very, very few of them actually manage to do it. Of course people will argue it is due to lack of support. But isn't that applicable to men also? For every F1 driver there are more than 100 drivers with failed attempts.

I think W Series needs to happen first before we can judge.
Asa is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Nov 2018, 04:16 (Ref:3866767)   #64
FormulaFox
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
United States
Ohio
Posts: 1,824
FormulaFox is heading for a stewards' enquiry!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Asa View Post
I am sure there are women in the world who really believe they can compete as equals with men in F1. But history shows us that very, very few of them actually manage to do it. Of course people will argue it is due to lack of support. But isn't that applicable to men also? For every F1 driver there are more than 100 drivers with failed attempts.

I think W Series needs to happen first before we can judge.
It's for the very reasons you state that W Series is a bad idea. It's not going to increase support for women unless every single one of it's champions do well when they move on to other series, which is extremely unlikely.

They plan to have 18 participants. For a fraction of the cost of running a championship, they could by a lot more than 18 seats in various ladder championships around the world, and have a far greater chance of it giving a top-level talent the opportunity she needed.
FormulaFox is offline  
__________________
JRDUD is love. JRSUS is life. We are all JRSUD. JRDUS is a lie.
Quote
Old 29 Nov 2018, 13:10 (Ref:3866838)   #65
bella
Race Official
Veteran
 
bella's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
France
Posts: 15,464
bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!
i’m kinda disappointed in some of the names on the list. i understand exactly why they’ve gone for it and have no beef with them for doing so but still... i expected more from them as seemingly smart, aware women. not totally sure supporting dare 2b different as well as this really goes hand in hand.

something i’m also not sure about is how little debate about this seems to be coming from women online. men have plenty to say, and it generally seems to be in support of women like pippa and sophia floersch who are strongly against it. you can’t deny the bonus of having 18 or whatever free or cheap drives suddenly on the market. but that doesn’t... negate the negatives.

it’s a tricky one.

i’d also like to hear more about how it’s going to be run. if it’s centrally, then they’ll need to do a heck of a lot of recruiting about now. who has the tyre contract, hankook or pirelli? how will testing work? and so on.
bella is offline  
__________________
devils advocate in-chief and professional arguer of both sides
Quote
Old 29 Nov 2018, 18:40 (Ref:3866890)   #66
midgetman
Veteran
 
midgetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
England
Rural Wiltshire
Posts: 4,365
midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!
The latest I saw is there will be a reality show TV shoot out for seats, seems somewhat patronising to me.

Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk
midgetman is offline  
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq!
Quote
Old 30 Nov 2018, 09:41 (Ref:3866974)   #67
wolfhound
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Ireland
Posts: 3,208
wolfhound should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridwolfhound should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridwolfhound should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
I am wondering would a better solution to promote women as drivers be to have a woman's class in F3 or F4?.
This would allow them to compete for overall honors and yet be class winners. It might have a disadvantage in terms of promotion.
wolfhound is offline  
Quote
Old 30 Nov 2018, 10:09 (Ref:3866980)   #68
Rob29
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
United Kingdom
Lincolnshire,UK
Posts: 3,302
Rob29 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridRob29 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfhound View Post
I am wondering would a better solution to promote women as drivers be to have a woman's class in F3 or F4?.
This would allow them to compete for overall honors and yet be class winners. It might have a disadvantage in terms of promotion.
That makes sense-as it seems FW & regional F3 are to be held at the same meetings why not merge the two?
Rob29 is offline  
__________________
Do it in the streets!
Quote
Old 30 Nov 2018, 13:19 (Ref:3867004)   #69
Woolley
Race Official
Veteran
 
Woolley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
England
Wolverhampton, England
Posts: 12,218
Woolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameWoolley will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by Asa View Post
I am sure there are women in the world who really believe they can compete as equals with men in F1. But history shows us that very, very few of them actually manage to do it.
I'm absolutely sure there are women who can compete as equals, and motor racing is one of the few sports where that can happen. The problem is more with how many of them take up the sport in the first place. It takes a lot of junior drivers to produce one F1 driver, and if only 0.005% of those juniors is female, then the likelihood of one them being the one is vanishingly small.

Lumping them together in one series doesn't seem to me to help with that fundamental problem in any way.
Woolley is offline  
__________________
Bill Bryson: It is no longer permitted to be stupid and slow. You must choose one or the other.
Quote
Old 30 Nov 2018, 16:53 (Ref:3867051)   #70
midgetman
Veteran
 
midgetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
England
Rural Wiltshire
Posts: 4,365
midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!midgetman has a real shot at the championship!
Is that a guessed figure? There is an ever larger number of female drivers in Junior karting. Most of whom deplore this "initiative".

Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk
midgetman is offline  
__________________
Midgetman - known as Max Tyler to the world. MaxAttaq!
Quote
Old 30 Nov 2018, 20:28 (Ref:3867113)   #71
bella
Race Official
Veteran
 
bella's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
France
Posts: 15,464
bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!
it's a shame dare 2b different is silent about this.
bella is offline  
__________________
devils advocate in-chief and professional arguer of both sides
Quote
Old 30 Nov 2018, 22:17 (Ref:3867124)   #72
Armco Bender
Llama Assassin and Sheep Botherer
Veteran
 
Armco Bender's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
New Zealand
International Sheep Ambassador
Posts: 3,876
Armco Bender is going for a new world record!Armco Bender is going for a new world record!Armco Bender is going for a new world record!Armco Bender is going for a new world record!Armco Bender is going for a new world record!Armco Bender is going for a new world record!Armco Bender is going for a new world record!
What happens if a transgender driver turns up?...
Armco Bender is offline  
Quote
Old 30 Nov 2018, 22:47 (Ref:3867125)   #73
deley
Veteran
 
deley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
United Kingdom
Bramley, Guildford
Posts: 1,054
deley should be qualifying in the top 10 on the griddeley should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Armco Bender View Post
What happens if a transgender driver turns up?...
I would imagine that they would have to pass the same or similar criteria as those set out for transgender competitors by bodies like the IOC or IAAF.
deley is online now  
__________________
Dave Eley
Flag & Experienced Marshal
Quote
Old 1 Dec 2018, 00:54 (Ref:3867145)   #74
NSX_LeMans
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location:
in a box!
Posts: 83
NSX_LeMans should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Let's not forget a transwoman won the 1957 Shelsley Hillclimb!
NSX_LeMans is offline  
Quote
Old 1 Dec 2018, 19:38 (Ref:3867292)   #75
cds_uk
Veteran
 
cds_uk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
England
Kesgrave, Suffolk, UK
Posts: 1,420
cds_uk should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Putting aside whether this series is a good idea or not for one moment, having now seen the "long list" of drivers, who on it do you think will make the final grid and who do you think will be at the sharp end if and when the series gets going. Personally i would love to see Alice Powell do well, proper racer in my opinion.
cds_uk is offline  
__________________
Roberto Merhi fan....... GO ON TETO!!!!!
Quote
Reply

Bookmarks




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Women in F1 MichaelC Formula One 8 3 May 2000 02:12


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 10:38.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2018 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.