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Old 12 May 2020, 23:23 (Ref:3975810)   #51
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As I'm reading it Uncle Alans timetable could happen; there's a heck of a lot of wait and see. Which, in fairness to the Government, nobody really knows.

Given one man has accidentally triggered an outbreak in South Korea, China has rising cases again - and ditto Germany - then it will peek again here as sure as eggs is eggs. My opinion, not scientific fact, obviously.

My gut says the Swedes will prove to have got it right - get on with life, some will die. Living things, including people, die every second of every day; Governments and Scientists think they can play God - newsflash, they can't with this virus - at least not yet.
The Swedish plan would never have worked in (most of) the UK though, because the population density is too high.

And I'm not convinced the German plan is that great. It just seems to have delayed the peak until the rest of the world is getting over it.
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The Swedish plan would never have worked in (most of) the UK though, because the population density is too high.
It depends what you mean by "worked". The disease isn't really that dangerous to younger people.

For the period where the detailed data has been released, covering the first 13,214 or so deaths, 384 (2.9%) where under 45. Over 50% of the reported deaths are over 85 years old.

Once you discount the people with underlying conditions, who would have been told to isolate in any case, and have been told to do in Sweden, you are left with a tiny number of deaths.
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Old 13 May 2020, 08:17 (Ref:3975860)   #53
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So much for the success model of Sweden...
https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/swede...es-doc-1r88vm2
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They gave it a try, now lessons can be learned from this
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Old 13 May 2020, 09:31 (Ref:3975873)   #55
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Have to disagree, and apologise for not talking BTCC.

Those of a sensitive nature should not read this post any further.

All the Swedish story above does is enforce the fact that the elderly clapped out members of the human race are more susceptible to become ill and/ or die.

The lesson (to me) is simple: putting large quantities of old folk under one roof and caring for them with people coming in and going out of the place introduces the ability for one worker to unwittingly infect many. And those many can then infect the rest.

Care in the home is far safer if practical - less carers and old folk mixing.

Personally speaking, having spent time working in numerous care homes over the years I would rather take a bullet in the brain than "live" (exist?) in a care hime environment.

Back to BTCC please...

Anyone know of any plans/ hopes by any teams to go testing? Would it be permissible? I know in season testing isn't, but does this situation count as in season?
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Old 13 May 2020, 09:39 (Ref:3975874)   #56
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So much for the success model of Sweden...
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in the defence of sweden, every western country has had two failure points - care homes and ppe. every country's media and people are losing their minds as if they're the only country to have that problem.

come the second wave, if there is one after social distancing, every country now has better data to base further lockdowns on. and every country has different population, cultural and geographical factors to look at and consider.
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Old 13 May 2020, 09:45 (Ref:3975877)   #57
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Anyone know of any plans/ hopes by any teams to go testing? Would it be permissible? I know in season testing isn't, but does this situation count as in season?
all teams will be out testing asap, assuming the cash is there. they'll be on it like a tramp on chips.

given the season hasn't started i'm not sure how it could count as in-season? if there's going to be a perk to the slight increase in costs from a ppe and cleaning perspective it's that teams who have developed new cars will have a chance to get some more miles under their belts.
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Old 13 May 2020, 12:55 (Ref:3975907)   #58
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all teams will be out testing asap, assuming the cash is there. they'll be on it like a tramp on chips.

given the season hasn't started i'm not sure how it could count as in-season? if there's going to be a perk to the slight increase in costs from a ppe and cleaning perspective it's that teams who have developed new cars will have a chance to get some more miles under their belts.
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i) Testing after the last race of the 2019 Championship is unrestricted until 5pm, Wednesday, March 25th, 2020.

ii) During the course of the 2020 Championship testing will be permitted for entrants on Circuit
General Test Days up to a maximum of 4 days per registered driver (or up to 8 half days). Teams
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in the defence of sweden, every western country has had two failure points - care homes and ppe. every country's media and people are losing their minds as if they're the only country to have that problem.

come the second wave, if there is one after social distancing, every country now has better data to base further lockdowns on. and every country has different population, cultural and geographical factors to look at and consider.
well, i would love to discuss this but it would be very off topic
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Old 14 May 2020, 09:15 (Ref:3976060)   #60
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there is a thread in parc ferme on the virus topic

regarding the test ban, considering that rule was written according to the original calendar i’d be surprised if it wasn’t changed to help teams and staff (and circuits) bring some money in.
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regarding the test ban, considering that rule was written according to the original calendar i’d be surprised if it wasn’t changed to help teams and staff (and circuits) bring some money in.
Or even without the need to amend the rule if they inserted extra official test days.

Do the teams need to test though? The official pre-season test was completed, and there would normally be no further testing between that date and round 1. We are in the same situation, just with a longer gap between the dates..
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Or even without the need to amend the rule if they inserted extra official test days.

Do the teams need to test though? The official pre-season test was completed, and there would normally be no further testing between that date and round 1. We are in the same situation, just with a longer gap between the dates..
I’m sure the teams that have produced new cars this year would love the extra test days
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I agree - wouldn't anyone want more testing if the could afford it?

I'm just putting it out there that the original schedule had the pre-season test on 17 March, with no test days after that until the first race on 28 March.

It could be argued that the teams are in the same situation - the cars have just been stored for a longer period between media day and round one.
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I agree - wouldn't anyone want more testing if the could afford it?

I'm just putting it out there that the original schedule had the pre-season test on 17 March, with no test days after that until the first race on 28 March.

It could be argued that the teams are in the same situation - the cars have just been stored for a longer period between media day and round one.
Teams would test every day if they could afford it, but by not restricting testing you would open up the gap between the front and back of the grid. The teams need to be protected from themselves and to keep the grid close.
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Or even without the need to amend the rule if they inserted extra official test days.

Do the teams need to test though? The official pre-season test was completed, and there would normally be no further testing between that date and round 1. We are in the same situation, just with a longer gap between the dates..
they might not need to, but they might well need to, if you get my drift. you're right about official test days instead of relaxing testing regs, fair point.
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British GT have just announced their first round will be at Oulton Park on 1/2 August, the same weekend as BTCC at Donington.

They are taking the marshals from the same geographical area, so both events will suffer from a lack of marshals.

Hardly connected thinking, and no change from previous years.
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as a more optimistic counter-point, i wonder how much it being the first weekend of the year after a long old off-season will actually help encourage marshal numbers. particularly if it's behind closed doors and they have to limit the number at each post for social distancing or anything like that.
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...and though likely not relevant this year, it stops people attending both events.

Which irritates me, as I have had to make choices which event to attend in the past. It's not as if the North has many meets at this level in the sport.
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as a more optimistic counter-point, i wonder how much it being the first weekend of the year after a long old off-season will actually help encourage marshal numbers. particularly if it's behind closed doors and they have to limit the number at each post for social distancing or anything like that.
I suspect it is workable. A number of people have a reasonably strong preference of one series over the other (I generally prefer marshaling British GT for instance). Whilst a number of people - for a variety of understandable reasons - won't be able to marshal, I reckon those that can will want to get stuck in.
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exactly. the old quantity problems will still exist, but marshalling could well be the only way to see and feel live motorsport for a significant part of the season (telly doesn’t count)...

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as a more optimistic counter-point, i wonder how much it being the first weekend of the year after a long old off-season will actually help encourage marshal numbers. particularly if it's behind closed doors and they have to limit the number at each post for social distancing or anything like that.
Personally I expect marshal numbers to be almost untenably low at the first few meetings where we're allowed to get out to play. There will still be vulnerable family members shielding - hell, there will still be vulnerable marshals shielding! - which will restrict the movement of a lot of people due to not wanting to fetch the pandemic back into their own homes.

In my own case, I'll probably be at Donington if (and only if) the family let me go. If any of them don't want me to, no matter how hard I might want to, I'll be watching on t'internet.
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For the marshals on here, have the circuits/organisers said anything yet about provisions to keep you guys safe?

I would like to think that the circuits would set up some larger areas for each post to enable you to spread out some more, then maybe masks and visors if you need to attend to a vehicle?
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This could be an issue - fire resistant masks and visors needed surely?
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This could be an issue - fire resistant masks and visors needed surely?
Race helmets and balaclava?

Bit heavy to have on for long periods, or to run in, though.
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