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1 Aug 2007, 08:49 (Ref:1977955) | #1 | ||
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Jane attacks CAMS over Brock death.
Bob Jane has released an open letter to CAMS and the local motorsport media, implicating the organisation in the death of Australian Motorsport Legend Peter Brock.
In the letter Jane said "Peter Brock is dead and many more are also dead, think about the race car Peter drove and who condoned Peter’s race vehicle's use in this competition event. CAMS did in a race car that did not meet any design rule criteria, and think about your management or more to the point your lack of ability to manage safety in motor sport, which is your only real charter from the FIA." The full text of the letter can be accessed from http://www.motorsport.com.au/cams/documents.html or the In Pit Lane website. www.pitlanepr.com/inpitlane |
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Peter was vastly experienced and chose to use that car knowing full well its shortcomings. Others have refused to drive marginal cars without insisting on changes or necessary safety mods...PB made two mistakes (one was choosing a vehicle with safety issues and the other was coming into the bend too hot) ...the combination proved fatal. Very sad...RIP PB. I also hope that Bob gets some sort of closure out of writing the book...I hate to see someone who has contributed so much to Motorsport in this country....expressing so much bitterness. Last edited by 275 GTB-4; 1 Aug 2007 at 10:04. |
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It might be good thing if it puts pressure on CAMS and ultimately the FIA to improve side impact protection.
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Poor old Bob. Not getting any more rational is he?
Nobody held a gun at Peter's head to drive the car, nor to drive in the event. I'm no great fan of the way CAMS does things, but this sort of attack is unwarranted. Kramer |
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Bobby Jane, well, what can I say, slamming the CAMS fella again without looking at all the facts. While I agree to a certain extent that CAMS did not enforce more driver side impact protection, we need to look at the bigger picture. A) Brock was a little tired and wired (he just got back from the UK at Goodwood), B) Brock went into the entry of the corner a bit to quick for it's condidtion C) The thing had a high power to weight ratio and was very sqirmy under brakes and out of corners and D) The engineer had put in less side protection than what you find in a V8 Supercar for example. So Billy Bob Jane, a quote by Michael Ironside: "Think twice, act once." In other words, look at all the facts before you start verbally shootin'.
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i can agree a little but not fully there was other contributing factors in PB's death and have been well documented, IMO if that same accident had of happened in most cars a similar resault would of happened .
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Bob Jane is a has-been dribbler! He should shuddup and retire to his cling-on lifestyle on yester-years. It isnt 1960 anymore and **** has changed old-man!
He is a rude and angry old fart whom I absolutely detest. Detest with good reason mind you but that’s a story for another time. His written assault on CAMS is nothing more than his ego thinking that he is some sort of authority within Australian motorsport. Marty to Bob… “Go away you old fool” |
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if the car did not meet any design criteria or australian standard bob jane is correct in his assessment....cams have a duty of care to make sure their competitors are safe
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and of course this has nothing to do with the fact Jane is he head figure of an organisation in direct competition to CAMS?
anyone know if this car or a car of similar spec has run in any AASA sanctioned events? |
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And the powder room suggests it didn't.........
And still doesn't. Alledgedly. I hear his fustration in that some just seem to be able to make things happen amongst the beauracracy of Malvern Rd. Last edited by Chucky; 2 Aug 2007 at 03:18. |
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OK Bob what Targa car would you like to go side on into a tree in-exactly in the middle where the drivers head is? There has to be death by misadventure where people know the risks.
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With the way momentum works, the car had to tilt up or down with a sinde on impact, and as the wheels were firmly planted on the other side, up was the way. The only place to crumple there, in any car, is around the helmet area.
While I certainly agree that more can be done to make racing safer, I think (and also admire these people) anyone going into these events full well know the risks. Do we want space frame vehicles with a tube in the middle with the drivers wearing bubble wrap? Bob, you are a legend, and I respect you, but be careful with your accusations. You may alienate the people you need to make changes! |
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And the excuses continue.
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YES Bob Jane commands respect--those retards who bagged him are beneath contempt-but Bob has always looked after Bob,and probably still is.
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BTW the car is no backyard special. It was constructed by Borland engineering and according to the preliminary police report as quoted in the Age recently had no impact on the accident or Brocky's death, and yes it does meet all relevant Australian Design Rules as well as those required by CAMS for Targa style events and Marque Sports Competition. It's probably also worth remembering that Trevor was also in the car and came out of it with only minor injuries. As far as Bob is concerned everybody needs to remember that he's a been a very sick man and under a lot of stress recently. |
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What a bunch of morons wanting to place the responsibility of each cars design and safety on to anyone but the driver. If you are not dam sure its safe don't get in and drive it. What do you want, Padded shopping trolleys.
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Which is probably the essence of the press release. My take on it is that CAMS only real claim to motor sport is their safety responsibilities and that is questionable. There is a copy of an article that was pulled from publication in Racer magazine's (because of the contoversy it would cause on the Bathurst race) last edition doing the email rounds questioning Bathurst and the Mark Porter incident and how the circuit doesn't meet minimum CAMS/FIA guidelines and was ignored in the 3 previous track assessments. The story points a finger at CAMS and their management of the situation. It starts to become clear why CAMS don't want an Australian Standard by an independent Industry group such as what Standards Australia do and have formed their own industry group the Australian Institute of Motor Sport Safety. Because it looks like their are rules for some and rules for others and safety real isn't that important after all. |
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Maybe those running tarmac rallies should look at gravel rally events, with particular attention being paid to recce and pace noting, AND that the driver must have done recce himself. I reckon the the idea of anyone, even a fit 61 year old, competing after flying from the other side of the world immediately prior to competing is in itself inherently dangerous.
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You can blame anyone for the accident. Bob should learn to keep his mouth shut, bringing Brocks death up is stupid. Yeah blame CAMS, blame organisers of event, blame car owner, blame car builder, blame navigator blame the person who planted the tree there, blame the bloke for putting a road there, blah blah blah...geez at the end of the day Peter chose to drive the car and everyone was there by choice. Peter was tired which was a factor but to put sole blame on CAMS is a stupid opinion, another chance to start a CAMS bashing thread and for those that want to bash them to use Brockie as an excuse to do that...
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Not being nasty, but are you comfortable that Winton could meet the requirements of an Australian Standard without a substantial cash injection?? Having said that, there would be few tracks in Australia that haven't had an incremental (and now substantial) safety upgrade over the years (can we ignore Oran Park? ) I liken Bathurst to Monaco...an OH&S nightmare...but wonderful motor racing tracks...I'm sure both tracks are allowed some leniency/concession because of their long history and relatively little use. Motorsport is Dangerous..I read that somewhere Last edited by 275 GTB-4; 6 Aug 2007 at 01:30. |
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