MSNZ & TMC - 'Wheels start to come off'

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by promax

don't watch jim

I think you drink to much Jim! Or is there another excuse????
Any new pics from your mates at MRX maxi?

[E36ST]

Originally Posted by Sommersby

I make more than my share of mistakes, but work extra hard to report news as accurately and honestly as possible.

I sent an email the media contact listed on the MSNZ website on Saturday, asking for the list of winners for Sundays show. I wasn't invited to the awards, so this was my best way of chasing results.

There was nothing on the MSNZ website when we went to air, so rather than risk getting something wrong by using an unofficial source, we regretfully had to scrap this segment of the show.

I've since learned that the email on the MSNZ website is out of date, nonetheless the information wasn't released to media until after 8pm on Sunday.

For the record, I don't schedule the show, ( you dont blame Jim Hickey for the weather do you?) but I am responsible for editorial content. So like I said previously; I welcome input and criticism.

And since I can't hide on TV or at the tracks....I won't hide here.

Shaun

Good on you Shaun for dropping in & sharing your thoughts. It shows your genuine interest in motorsport outside of the office as well as part of your job.

Keep up the good work.

[promax]

Originally Posted by Jerico

I think you drink to much Jim! Or is there another excuse????
Any new pics from your mates at MRX maxi?

i don't drink jim either

[Southern Man]

I attended the MNZ conference and every workshop as a delegate of one of the Car Clubs that I belong too.
If there was a constant theme running though all workshops it was the one of improved communications with strong emphasis being expressed by delegates on making use of the "Social Media" alongside of the more normal mainstrem media as used by older folks.

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

I attended the MNZ conference and every workshop as a delegate of one of the Car Clubs that I belong too.
If there was a constant theme running though all workshops it was the one of improved communications with strong emphasis being expressed by delegates on making use of the "Social Media" alongside of the more normal mainstrem media as used by older folks.

plenty of older folks using social media, Aye.

[Goat Boy]

Just been very kindly provided with the following via the HRC newsletter, i.e. Chris's take on proceedings last weekend:

The Motorsport Conference

As usual, the Auckland car clubs knew the conference would be an interesting and challenging forum to express our views.
Of the over 200 car clubs in the Auckland area, only 23 are affiliated to Motor Sport NZ, so of the approximately 97 clubs affiliated to Motor Sport NZ, our affiliated Auckland Clubs are very much in the minority. It is also interesting to note that HRC has recorded 2021 individual drivers competing at HRC meetings and there are only 4942 licence holders in New Zealand. Add in the drivers who compete at other Auckland events, like NZIGP meetings and the Auckland car clubs are providing half the competitors but have only 23% of the voting power. This is probably the main reason for the dissatisfaction with Motor Sport NZ from many Auckland competitors and clubs.

It was pleasing that the remit below, seconded by HRC, to review the structure and constitution of Motorsport was passed by a solid majority. This showed that many clubs are concerned about the structure of Motor Sport NZ.
19.1 Remit 1 - Kapiti Car Club
Appendix, Schedule and/or Rule No. reference:
General Remit - MotorSport NZ Constitution
Remit: That
(a) An independent panel of five persons, one of whom shall be the current or a past President of MotorSport NZ the remaining four persons with skills covering constitutional law; sporting organisation governance and financial management be empowered to review the current form of governance of MotorSport New Zealand Inc to ensure it is meeting all the needs if the sport and is in line with the requirements external agencies to whom the sport holds mutual obligations.
(b) The panel is charged with presenting a draft of their report for submissions from the Executive; current MotorSport Commissions and Departments along with Member Clubs no later than 1 December 2012 and that after consideration of such submissions a final report is presented with the Agenda papers for the 2013 Council to consider.
(c) This Council approves the allocation of funds required to ensure the pane, can consult as widely as necessary to prepare their findings.
Reason:
There have been significant changes to a number of New Zealand Sporting bodies in recent years with a noticeable swing towards overall governance being the responsibility of an appointed board and having a strong volunteer base of office bearers and administration staff in support.
Given this significant change in which the sport now operates it would seem timely that an independent review of our structure be undertaken to ensure that we can approach the coming 50 years with confidence.
It is our recommendation that this review be undertaken by an independent panel appointed by the current President and past presidents.
This remit should not be considered an indictment on our current volunteer Office bearers or the MotorSport NZ Administration. It is intended solely to look to the future of our organisation to ensure it is well placed to handle challenges and the level of financial accountability required in these current times.
Remit prepared by: John Clunie on behalf of the above named car club.

Other remits presented by Auckland Clubs were rejected
Among them were remits suggesting regional representation on the executive, proxy voting and the separation of TMC from Motor Sport NZ.
TMC is undergoing some changes, but is it really necessary for the championships to be run by a company controlled by Motor Sport NZ and is it legal under NZ law? There are a number of lawyers in Auckland that think Motor Sport NZ could be exposed to action under the Commerce Act and I'm sure members certainly don't want to face another imposition of fees to cover legal costs and the bailing out a failing company.
It was also interesting that remits were debated right at the end of the conference where in fact they were down to be debated halfway through the conference. This resulted in discussion on the remits being compressed as the Conference ran out of time. Additionally, there was no real time left for any meaningful discussion on General Business and several important matters were either not addressed or inadequately addressed. Remits were discussed the day before the main AGM at the workshops but this did not include the remits that affected constitutional issues.
In the last few years lots of sports bodies have had to have a hard look at how their sport is governed and Swimming NZ has just been presented with an independent review of it's structure that recommended a new Constitution and the replacement of the existing Board and Chief Executive. It would be very positive for NZ motorsport if a large number of submissions are made to the review committee when it is announced, so that real change can be made and we can have a sound basis to move forward.
My own admittedly biased view is that the groups that have the biggest investment in motor sport are the competitors and circuit owners. Perhaps we have four different bodies representing the competitors, the circuits, race series and rally organizers and Motor Sport NZ representing the clubs. This would operate under a board made up of one representative from each group plus four appointed professional directors plus an appointed independent chairman.

Chris Watson
HRC Inc

Pretty much echoes what Roger has been saying. I love the bit about leaving the discussions until the very end, that is the sort of trick I would expect from those guys. Too worried about getting booted out of their cushy jobs to actually see the sense in what was being proposed.

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Too worried about getting booted out of their cushy jobs to actually see the sense in what was being proposed.

It is the car clubs who are the members of MNZ not licence holders

It was the delegates from the car clubs present, all 60+ of them that voted on the subjects but once the Kapiti remit was passed unamimously then the remainder that anything to do with any constitutional matter became obsolete for in reality their contents do become all part of the overall review.

As an example, Chris Watson withdrew the remit from his club on this subject.

It sure was a shame that so few from the Auckland area turned up when the conference was right on their doorstep

Remind me again about the cushy job of being a volunteer official or administrator for motorsport in NZ be at either a club or national level. It sure seems like a lot of work to me which is why the efforts of those people are appreciated by most.

As an aside on the area or licence numbers as a basis for representation, just think of the United Nation Security Council make up if India, North Korea, China and Indonesia etc had voting powers based on the size of their population rather than one country one vote.

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

It is the car clubs who are the members of MNZ not licence holders

It was the delegates from the car clubs present, all 60+ of them that voted on the subjects but once the Kapiti remit was passed unamimously then the remainder that anything to do with any constitutional matter became obsolete for in reality their contents do become all part of the overall review.

As an example, Chris Watson withdrew the remit from his club on this subject.

It sure was a shame that so few from the Auckland area turned up when the conference was right on their doorstep

Remind me again about the cushy job of being a volunteer official or administrator for motorsport in NZ be at either a club or national level. It sure seems like a lot of work to me which is why the efforts of those people are appreciated by most.

As an aside on the area or licence numbers as a basis for representation, just think of the United Nation Security Council make up if India, North Korea, China and Indonesia etc had voting powers based on the size of their population rather than one country one vote.

Well in a country where it has been accepted that the fairest way to represent the population in Parliament is by Proportional Representation, that should tell you the general way of thinking of most NZ'ers.

I think you will find that nobody is ever intending to be critical of the volunteers for motorsport or any other sport, rather the paid officials who know that they have a cosy little number going and want to protect it, and/or the power that it brings.

Like most sports, without the volunteers there would not be a sport at all.

Interesting that you should compare MNZ with the United Nations, which is generally viewed as one of the most ineffectual and bureaucratic organizations in existence....

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I think you will find that nobody is ever intending to be critical of the volunteers for motorsport or any other sport, rather the paid officials who know that they have a cosy little number going and want to protect it, and/or the power that it brings.

Change the word "officials" for "some paid employees" and you and I might just be in agreement.

But remember, all the Executive including the President and the various commissions are unpaid volunteers as are all Event Directors, Clerks of Course, Stewards, CRO's, Event Scruitineers and all other officials etc.etc.

Yes there are some meetings where they get some of their expenses covered (but not all).

Personally, since the inception of TMC I have accomodation covered either by TMC or the promoting club on four occasions plus one return air fare to Auckland otherwise it has been at my own expense........ Coffees included.....................!!!!!!!!!!.................!!!!!!!!!!

I do suspect that TMC has paid some people who sometimes act in the role of an official of a meeting a contract rate to undertake some tasks on their behalf but this would be a minor fee pretty much just to partially compensate for the hours of work required.

Now I must go and load the Escort on the trailer, Otago Rally beckons and I want to throw stones at people by way of the wheels, it is far more fun

[RogerH]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

As an aside on the area or licence numbers as a basis for representation, just think of the United Nation Security Council make up if India, North Korea, China and Indonesia etc had voting powers based on the size of their population rather than one country one vote.

The representation gripe from the Auckland clubs (and competitors) may be more understandable if you reflect on what would have been the reaction if there had been no MSNZ Executive member from, say, the South Island for over 10 years ..............

[socram]

Chris Watson's summation is what we wanted and really is an accurate view held by so many in the north island. We all respect the fantastic efforts put in by southern clubs and competitors, but I suspect that many are missing the whole point.
There are just so many competitors paying for licences, levies etc that it just isn't on that their representation (with considerable compulsory financial support) is just about zero.

As for Aucklanders not turning up when it was on their doorstep, I still think that you are missing the point again, that without a vote, there is little point in turning up and the more I read about it, the more worried I get that change is virtualy impossible under the current structure.

Watch out boys, as it may well be that of our own 120 drivers, we may just form an additional 9 clubs (giving us an extra 9 votes) until such times as the balance is accurately reflected, but a load of small clubs is inefficient and rather wasteful.
I would far rather that the licence holders in each discipline had a referendum on all items that were relevant. But that would just be far too democratic for some people to stomach.

[Racer Mike]

So next weekend is the AGM of the outgoing motorsport company and the incoming motorsport promotions and could this be the first AGM in some time........

Will a set of MSC accounts be shown so we can determine if this company has been run properly and financially viable? They may show a profit or small loss only due to not paying TV3 for the last round so they have probalbly saved themselves 100K. Im wondering if TV3 have pulled their traditional deal back to MSC of a bunch of air time that is given to the ruound sponsor as added value, in this case its Dunlop so thats a kick in the face for Dunlop if TV3 wont give that due to MSC not paying.

Will a broom go through MPL and whos call? Who will the final directors be? Will Shane McKillen rise from the dust and come back for another beating, will Toyota allow John Foulke to work with a team that only has eyes for 10 NZV8's and potential legal backlash from legal proceedings with V8ST.

What do we want here and what do we wish for? Will this review committe be formed before this AGM.

Will TV deals be signed off, will rounds be confirmed? So many questions but I reckon very few answers!

[Icarus_nz]

Any word as to who the kangaroo court will be made up of?

[promax]

Following a special general meeting held in Wellington on Saturday, MotorSport Promotions Ltd has committed itself to the restructure process commencing with the election of a new board of directors.

As reported in April, the Sport’s promotions company which is charged with promoting MotorSport NZ’s Gold Star Race Championships confirmed a number of changes were afoot including a name change and widening of the board to bring on new talent and fresh thinking.

With those formalities now completed the new look board comprises new directors John Fowke, general manager of Finance at Toyota NZ who has been appointed Chairman, South Island businessman and racing identity Ian (Inky) Tulloch and David Dovey, president of the IRC - the independent race class series, who join existing board members Bill Brown representing circuit interests and Auckland businessman Shane McKillen appointed by MotorSport New Zealand Inc. Additional Directors may be appointed by the Board as the opportunity arises.

[promax]

The Board now has a management review process in place and a business plan to complete.

The most pressing issue for the company is establishing a calendar for the Summer Series and in conjunction with the IRC series the two organisations have now agreed a calendar that will be fixed for the next three years.

This will be a significant step forward for everyone in MotorSport providing a stable platform against which much strategic planning can be commenced. The company expects to release the final Calendar at the end of this week as final negotiations around events and venues are completed. What is certain is that the 2012/13 race championship season will kick off in December and run through until April. Within that calendar the TRS International Series will feature five weekends of back to back international single seater racing and a minimum of four other premium rounds which will ensure an exciting season of motor racing for fans.

Shareholders at the SGM were unanimous in their support for the company’s plans and united around providing a whole new level of promotion and entertainment for the events that bring some of the most significant economic benefits to their regions. Events will include entertainment on track with championship classes supported by some very fast and entertaining IRC series classes and more opportunities to run with the championship truck racing category. This will be supplemented with plenty of off-track entertainment designed to offer a family friendly day at the races.

New Chairman, John Fowke is encouraged by the changes confirmed at the meeting on Saturday.

“We are entering a new era of car racing in NZ. The new generation NZV8s will be out on track this summer and we want to make sure our events are new generation also.” Fowke said.

“Our new marketing team is working hard to bring dynamic, engaging entertainment to each of our events around the country and we can’t wait to start the season,” stated CEO Martin Fine.

“There are so many events that the public can attend these days. We need to make sure our championship events are a fantastic weekend at the race track and with the initiatives we are exploring we’re confident we can deliver.”

“With the committed support of all our shareholding circuits and the benefit of a settled calendar we have the foundation on which to build a fantastic new generation series.”

Along with the calendar, the company expects to release final details of television and other media coverage by month end.

[Icarus_nz]

Jumping the gun again maxi. as pointed out earlier, comprehension isn't your strong point. I didn't ask who the clowns were but thanks for trotting their names out anyway.


I'll ask the question again as a full sentence.


Does anyway know the names of those charged conducting the review?

[promax]

LMAO!!! actually you're one that's jumping the gun all i did was post a MSNZ related post in a MSNZ related thread.

c'mon steve.. not everything revolves around you

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by promax

all i did was post a MSNZ related post in a MSNZ related thread.

Obviously confused everyone with that strategy.

[promax]

well it was either that or a article on rally nz

thought i better stay on topic

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by promax

LMAO!!! actually you're one that's jumping the gun all i did was post a MSNZ related post in a MSNZ related thread.

c'mon steve.. not everything revolves around you

I thought you were Steve...??

[promax]

oh please GB... everyone knows i'm at 8 different people

[Icarus_nz]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I thought you were Steve...??

I thought I was Chris.

I must see if I can find some old MANZ news to post in the MANZ section.

[Racer Mike]

I see the day breaker rally has a huge field. Whoops, thats right, our sports administrators and executive dont want Rally xtreme do they.
Well done boys and girls of MSNZ. Now open your eyes and take note and watch and listen to what rally competitors want!

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by Racer Mike

I see the day breaker rally has a huge field. Whoops, thats right, our sports administrators and executive dont want Rally xtreme do they.
Well done boys and girls of MSNZ. Now open your eyes and take note and watch and listen to what rally competitors want!

so, if the powers that be, don't want RallyXtreme, how come NZRC have run beside them at events, and there is a partial crossover of competitiors ???

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by smokin'joe

so, if the powers that be, don't want RallyXtreme, how come NZRC have run beside them at events, and there is a partial crossover of competitiors ???

Some people forget or are unaware that Rally Xtreme is the North Island only regional / club based rally series set up between competitors and the various clubs running rallies and it is new on the scene this year. It is a direct copy of the South Island only Mainland Rally series which has the same format and has been running successfully since 1977.

Neither are set up to challenge the NZRC but rather to look after competitors with club type cars rather than national type cars that want a home island based rather than a national based series to compete in.

As such both run series run comfortably alongside NZRC events as was seen earlier this year at the Otago Rally and the Wairapapa Rally.

It was pleasing to see 60 entries at the Daybreaker just as was the 66 at Catlins last year. Lets hope the trend continues