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Old 9 Sep 2008, 11:26 (Ref:2285486)   #1
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Big Dave should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Dave i might consider entering one of the races but im not intrested in rolling starts as i think they are un fair and benifit the front few cars.[/quote]

The biggest advantage of a rolling start has to go to little light weight Front wheel drives, unlike a standing start which has to be biassed towards the bigger rwds. Any whay are you not in the front few cars you should be
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 11:44 (Ref:2285499)   #2
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Big dave the only time a rolling start should be used is for non gear box carts, where if the pack is spread out they get sent around again.
If rolling starts are that good why is the majority of circuit raceing standing?
As for stress on the car will you want rolling start for an auto test ,sprinting and rallying i think not.
I could debate this for hours !
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 11:53 (Ref:2285506)   #3
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robie if done properly a roller is buy far the fairer way of starting ,the problem is drivers try to hold back to gain a run on the guy in front.this then puts the guys behind at a disadvantage.the officials do make us go round again if they feel the grid is too spread out but that just decreases the race distance which is not fair on everyone, but you cant go round all day to get the grid right because of a few opertunists..
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 12:02 (Ref:2285513)   #4
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Woody you have some very good points should we start a new thread, we will get some very intresting replies ?
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 13:06 (Ref:2285557)   #5
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I'll 2nd that, I seem to recall that the vote at the Drivers meeting at Brands at end of last year was 50/50 rolling /standing. This year regs the starts are 7 rolling 2 standing, not quite 50/50?
no it wasnt 50/50, ultimately thats because the COC's event organising clubs etc deciding that the grid sizes and large disparity between cars ment it was the safest way to start the races so that was how it had to be.

when we first strated doing rolling starts a number of years ago, a lot of drivers werent keen on them, nowdays the vast majority are in agreement it is a safer way to start a race, especially one with big grids
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 16:18 (Ref:2285716)   #6
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when we first strated doing rolling starts a number of years ago, a lot of drivers werent keen on them, nowdays the vast majority are in agreement it is a safer way to start a race, especially one with big grids[/quote]

Perhaps we could have a vote at years end by all registered drivers and go with the majority next year?
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 16:29 (Ref:2285725)   #7
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when we first strated doing rolling starts a number of years ago, a lot of drivers werent keen on them, nowdays the vast majority are in agreement it is a safer way to start a race, especially one with big grids
Perhaps we could have a vote at years end by all registered drivers and go with the majority next year?[/quote]

that sounds like a good idea scooby 96
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 16:49 (Ref:2285739)   #8
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Perhaps we could have a vote at years end by all registered drivers and go with the majority next year?
you missed my earlier point, it was taken out of our hands, unfortunatly or fortunatly depending on how you see it safety ( or perceived safety) is a higher priority to those higher up the food chain than our personal preferences

fact though this wouldnt of happened on a rolling start

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Unfortunatly rolling starts or standing there are accidents, from time to time.

I thought the real benifit of a rolling start was that you are able to have larger grids. Hence catering for the larger DMN grids.
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 18:09 (Ref:2285813)   #10
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If rolling starts are that good why is the majority of circuit raceing standing?
As for stress on the car will you want rolling start for an auto test ,sprinting and rallying i think not.
I could debate this for hours ![/quote]

would love rolling starts in Autotesting if this was the case would not of left all my new sump oil in brands paddock then!!!! the biggest problem is a rolling start from forwards to backwards and vise versa
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 18:41 (Ref:2285845)   #11
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Unfortunatly rolling starts or standing there are accidents, from time to time.

I thought the real benifit of a rolling start was that you are able to have larger grids. Hence catering for the larger DMN grids.
the main benifit of rolling starts is that no one can be stalled on the grid thus not move or make a very slow getaway, which isnt quite so bad in a one make series where all the car are very evenly matched but on a grid as varied as a dmn one it can be a huge factor, one made especially risky if a fast car had a bad qualifying session and thus starts at the back when its normal performance says it should be at the front
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 18:56 (Ref:2285869)   #13
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I thought the real benifit of a rolling start was that you are able to have larger grids. Hence catering for the larger DMN grids.
The grids are the same size whether it is a rolling or standing start.
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 18:58 (Ref:2285870)   #14
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done plenty of both, i have noticed rolling ones i pretty much keep my grid position, but have on occassion made up a huge number of places from a standing start, i once made up 13 places from the start to the first corner at silverstone with only 190bhp, it was a great start but at the same time pretty scary as i zig zagged around cars that didnt made it away properly that could of very easily ended up in tears
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Old 9 Sep 2008, 19:04 (Ref:2285879)   #15
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The grids are the same size whether it is a rolling or standing start.
Chezza Sorry if ive miss lead but i do wear glasses so could have missed read but my comment came from viewing the msa circuit licence of which there was several hanging on the wall,whilst i was in Brands control tower earlier this year .
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