dmn 2010

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by 205dave

Should someone be brave enough to fit one of the BMW K1100 heads to the A series Block, would the same rule apply ?

yes

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by bdwoody

not quite , the pugs are class D unless they are 2001cc+ and 16v,same with the astra .
so far i think bahr ,ronchetti ,richards, me cant think of any more atm..

class c will also get the 2.0xe powered nova thats been in class A but running near the back of the grid,

the new rules will allow some engine swaps without automatically putting the cars in class A, as such cars will also be reclassified as being 50% bigger in CC.

i will be class D as although my engine is 2467cc, its only 8valve

[rww]

Originally Posted by 205dave

Ok, Makes perfect sence now. Sounds Fair to me.

So my car being 1925cc would now be class D, not C is this correct ?

Assuming your car is a Peugeot 205/309 (?) then :-

if 8v will be class E (up to 2L dual valve)
if 16 v will be class D.(up to 2L multivalve)

.......I think..

[Tim Falce]

[205dave]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

vehicles with multivalve cylinderheads other than mass production ones as fitted on a factory assembly line, i.e for fords pintos warrier and holbay, for a series engines jack night and KAD heads a 50% multiplication factor will be applied to othe engine capacity,

this is the same rule currently applied to sequential gearboxes and will also be extende tp apply to cars running center lock wheels

So The 7 & 8 port heads, although aftermarket would not count as heavily
modified because they only have 2 valves per cylinder ?

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by bdwoody

not quite , the pugs are class D unless they are 2001cc+ and 16v,same with the astra .
so far i think bahr ,ronchetti ,richards, me cant think of any more atm..

engines i can see why, but center lock wheels ? are we doing pit stops next year ????

center lock wheels mean bespoke race uprights and hubs, in other words very expensive parts which are normally only found on no expense spared cars which in terms of cost and performance are beyond the average clubman

[bdwoody]

as i said then me and bill as joss wont be at every round...doh .now wheres that standard f7r engine again..

[bdwoody]

Originally Posted by BESSIE

give me a tow down the straights woody xxx

i''l fit the hook in the morning ...

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by 205dave

So The 7 & 8 port heads, although aftermarket would not count as heavily
modified because they only have 2 valves per cylinder ?

you got it

[rww]

Originally Posted by bdwoody

not quite , the pugs are class D unless they are 2001cc+ and 16v,same with the astra .
so far i think bahr ,ronchetti ,richards, me cant think of any more atm..

Agreed on the Astra- will be Class D. Not sure about the 205's though as looking at results from the first round Richard Brent's is shown as 2045cc which would make it new Class C as would be Graham Bahr's 2.3 BMW.

[graham bahr]

richards car this year was 2045cc but only 8valve as is my bmw,

of course if either were to be fitted with 16v heads then they would become class C assuming the engine sizes stayed the same

[rww]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

richards car this year was 2045cc but only 8valve as is my bmw,

of course if either were to be fitted with 16v heads then they would become class C assuming the engine sizes stayed the same

Thanks Graham, I stand corrected.

[greenamex2]

Whilst I understand the series decision to try and reduce costs to the competitor the changes do seem to have a heavy impact on certain competitors/vehicles.

In Classic Thunder we intentionally allowed head/complete engine changes in order to allow certain cars to compete more competitively, and often at reduced cost.

For example my cars engine would cost half as much if it was replaced with a Ford, and it would be more reliable.

Out of interest, who gets to decide who needs 'penalising' for being too quick.

[graham bahr]

Out of interest, who gets to decide who needs 'penalising' for being too quick.

actually no one "decides" its done strictly by the rules regarding the cars specification,

if somone comes up with a demon modification which wipes the floor with everyone provided its legal they will be able to run in the same class all year with it,
whether the rules change the next season would be another matter

[bdwoody]

he he, you should stand for parliment with a statment like that graham..lol

[Copperbottom]

Hmm,the new rules may blow my plans for next year out of the window!.................................................What class would my car go in IF I went semi-spaceframed and super silhouette spec red-top? Or one or the other?

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by Copperbottom

Hmm,the new rules may blow my plans for next year out of the window!.................................................What class would my car go in IF I went semi-spaceframed and super silhouette spec red-top? Or one or the other?

you get to go off and play with the intermarque boys

[bdwoody]

1998cc 16v megane with £40k ex alan menu motor from sodemo in class D ......i think that would raise an eye brow !!!!!! lol

[205dave]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

actually no one "decides" its done strictly by the rules regarding the cars specification,

if somone comes up with a demon modification which wipes the floor with everyone provided its legal they will be able to run in the same class all year with it,
whether the rules change the next season would be another matter

So on average Bill and Richard run a similar pace, But Bill moves up class and Richard moves down.

So surely somebody decided to move Bill up

[Copperbottom]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

you get to go off and play with the intermarque boys

That might just happen But please note I said SEMI spaceframe,ie: just the front or the rear section would be tube.

Also what IF I just fitted a red top?

[bdwoody]

Originally Posted by 205dave

So on average Bill and Richard run a similar pace, But Bill moves up class and Richard moves down.

So surely somebody decided to move Bill up

ok it was me

[Copperbottom]

Originally Posted by 205dave

So on average Bill and Richard run a similar pace, But Bill moves up class and Richard moves down.

So surely somebody decided to move Bill up

I think that you'll find that Richard only moves down because this years C becomes next years' D,Bill will still be in class D for 2010 (or class C 2009)

[graham bahr]

if he sticks with the same engine richard wont of moved anywhere just the class letter has just changed,

yes bill car will of moved class but so have several others, lets not forget richard is using a mass production 205 head, of course if you preferred the origonally proposed rule change which would of put bill in class A....................................

[bdwoody]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dont leave me bill i dont want to be on me own i will get lonely and cry ..

[Copperbottom]

Originally Posted by bdwoody

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dont leave me bill i dont want to be on me own i will get lonely and cry ..

I'm sure someone will play with you Woody