Need some help with Escort Mk1 1974 (Group 2 !!) - Page 7

Bunman · 1 Apr 2011, 21:36 (Ref:2857107)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

1300 BDH rules!

I like to re-read the story of Vince Woodman, Gillian F-T and Peter Hanson's Broadspeed BDH Escorts in the 1973 BTC. Typical Ford- taking full advantage of the rules! Such homologation specials probably helped bring on the demise of Gp2.........

Sadly there seems very little interest in racing small capacity Gp2 cars (in UK) now, but sure would be fun!

I have had so much fun in the last few seasons with the BDH, having used many engines over the last 23 years the BD is my favourite.
Plus it really upsets all the unlimited saloon brigade when I set FTD overall for Tintops.

Bunman · 1 Apr 2011, 22:07 (Ref:2857120)

Just for jsvahn

http://www.brayspeed.co.uk/assets/crystal%20palace.wmv

jsvahn · 2 Apr 2011, 06:28 (Ref:2857187)

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Originally Posted by Bunman

Just for jsvahn

http://www.brayspeed.co.uk/assets/crystal%20palace.wmv

Great racing!

Small engine cars were fighting against big V8: s back then, same today. This is a bit of topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWAHL_veWtw

jsvahn · 7 Apr 2011, 08:15 (Ref:2860036)

photos taken from this album:
http://www.racingescorts.de/galerie_7.html

Can anyone tell if this car just have the right decals and color or does it have anything else in common with a Zak?

brown dog · 7 Apr 2011, 09:35 (Ref:2860085)

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Originally Posted by jsvahn

photos taken from this album:
http://www.racingescorts.de/galerie_7.html

Can anyone tell if this car just have the right decals and color or does it have anything else in common with a Zak?

Wow! From the flat base 15" BBS wheels to the big wheelarches, it looks correct, at least from the outside. If it is a replica then it is a damn good one!

I vote= real thing!

Mike Bell · 7 Apr 2011, 11:11 (Ref:2860127)

Lovely looking car- could be original- but with perhaps later changes.

Johan- have sent PM to explain!

Frank de Jong · 7 Apr 2011, 15:08 (Ref:2860202)

The Escort looks great, but I very much doubt it is an original car; the front spoiler and rear are different. Compare with the 1974 version
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...Zandvoort.html
and the 1975 version
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...rburgring.html

brown dog · 7 Apr 2011, 19:18 (Ref:2860280)

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Originally Posted by Frank de Jong

The Escort looks great, but I very much doubt it is an original car; the front spoiler and rear are different. Compare with the 1974 version
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...Zandvoort.html
and the 1975 version
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...rburgring.html

The mirrors are wrong too, thinking about it the Zakspeed cars always had those funny shaped mirrors, I can't remember what they were off. An Opel or something? And the fuel fillers through the bootlid are not there either, although those things can change depending on the races. I don't want to sound critical though, it is still a stunning looking car!

Bunman · 7 Apr 2011, 20:34 (Ref:2860318)

The front spoiler looks very Mk2 Zakspeed to me? Nice car though.

Mike Bell · 8 Apr 2011, 05:42 (Ref:2860392)

There are several detail differences but we know from the blue Finotto / Jolly Club car pics on Frank's site and the car as it is now that changes are made to original cars during subsequent competition, restoration etc. So without knowing or having a close look at the car in question, I'll leave my opinion 'open'.

It is indeed a very good looking Escort, although my personal preference would be for a more original style front spoiler!

jsvahn · 8 Apr 2011, 05:56 (Ref:2860394)

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Originally Posted by Frank de Jong

The Escort looks great, but I very much doubt it is an original car; the front spoiler and rear are different. Compare with the 1974 version
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...Zandvoort.html
and the 1975 version
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...rburgring.html

If it´s an original one then there would be Zakspeed stickers and not Blumi Power..

The front arches are not close to a real Zak. Even the rear arches is not the same. I compared the car to the Zak in the German magazine from 1974.
This JollyCLub car have same kind of arches as Zak.

Kevin McCann · 8 Apr 2011, 06:21 (Ref:2860398)

HI all, the Alan Mann Escorts had torsion bar rear running with an arm with a roller, on the inner wheel rim.I will have a look and see if i have photos or can get some including front struts

Mike Bell · 8 Apr 2011, 16:23 (Ref:2860579)

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Originally Posted by jsvahn

This JollyCLub car have same kind of arches as Zak.

That's because it was a Zakspeed car. Finotto won the Italian championship with it.

Mike Bell · 8 Apr 2011, 17:21 (Ref:2860596)

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Originally Posted by Kevin McCann

HI all, the Alan Mann Escorts had torsion bar rear running with an arm with a roller, on the inner wheel rim.I will have a look and see if i have photos or can get some including front struts

Hi Kevin, that would be great thanks. The cars are from earlier period than Zakspeed cars but none the less interesting for that. I bumped into Henry Mann today and he confirmed that 349F is still in as raced condition, not sure if 346F is also. Would be good to get a chance to have a look underneath one day.

enforsa · 5 May 2011, 05:54 (Ref:2874343)

Here's some pictures of Paul's alloy Atlas diff head.

jsvahn · 5 May 2011, 10:19 (Ref:2874460)

Thanks!! Diff looks Great!!

tony griffiths · 6 May 2011, 05:41 (Ref:2875100)

Will have an injected BDH head, complete with all running gear and cam carrier with cams and metering unit drive availale very shortly if anyone is interested ...........

Nordic · 11 May 2011, 06:57 (Ref:2878549)

Slighty off topic but plenty of Mk 1's race in Portugal.

Scroll down to the bottom.

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...-portugal.aspx

My first car was mk 1 1600 (or was it an 1100?), always have a soft spot for them!

Mike Bell · 11 May 2011, 07:41 (Ref:2878561)

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Originally Posted by Nordic

Slighty off topic but plenty of Mk 1's race in Portugal.

My first car was mk 1 1600 (or was it an 1100?), always have a soft spot for them!

Pictures of nice Escorts never off topic!

I've raced against some of those cars in Portugal and they are very quick- even the 1300s. I think their rules are not strictly period Gp2 hence the 'modern' sponsorship! Cars are mostly very well prepared though, and great to see that in one part of Europe a smaller engined class is popular.

Nordic- Perhaps your Escort was a 1600 engined 1100?

Nordic · 13 May 2011, 06:47 (Ref:2879722)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Nordic- Perhaps your Escort was a 1600 engined 1100?

In my mind it was at least a 1600, maybe even an RS. Pretty sure it was only a 1100 in realty.

Did get to own a very nice Nordic Blue Mk2 RS2000 in the late 80's. One of the sadest day in my like when i sold it.

EWV 75V where are you!

Nordic · 26 May 2011, 06:39 (Ref:2885991)

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...ed-escort.aspx

Some nice pictures of a car I have not heard much about before. A Mk1 Broadspeed Escort.

morninggents · 26 May 2011, 12:27 (Ref:2886141)

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Originally Posted by Nordic

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...ed-escort.aspx

Some nice pictures of a car I have not heard much about before. A Mk1 Broadspeed Escort.

Hmmmm. Is this a genuine Broadspeed car or just a Broadspeed shell? What is the history of the car and previous ownwers/drivers? Is there an Irish connection?

Mike Bell · 26 May 2011, 18:36 (Ref:2886329)

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Originally Posted by morninggents

Hmmmm. Is this a genuine Broadspeed car or just a Broadspeed shell? What is the history of the car and previous ownwers/drivers? Is there an Irish connection?

As often, nice car but not exactly period specification! Some shell & suspension details point towards Broadspeed work but now far from 1970s Gp2 trim

jsvahn · 31 May 2011, 20:01 (Ref:2888983)

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listin...2_Replica.html

"Fully billet machined uprights with rotating steel hubs with centre lock nuts."

If Broadspeed used billet uprights in 1974/75, Zak might have done the same?

morninggents · 2 Jun 2011, 13:16 (Ref:2889986)

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Originally Posted by Nordic

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...ed-escort.aspx

Some nice pictures of a car I have not heard much about before. A Mk1 Broadspeed Escort.

Just read the article in the March 2011 back issue I purchased. There is a total lack of any period history about the car which raises question marks. I am sure that anyone who had the knowledge to have recognised this as a works Broadspeed car would have been able to research the history of the car and those who drove it.

I am not sure that this is an original 'built by Broadspeed' car.

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