Knickerbrook chicane

blue nose · 3 Jan 2004, 22:52 (Ref:826836)

What do we have to do to get rid of the Knickerbrook chicane, And turn it back into a real corner.

kickstart · 3 Jan 2004, 23:11 (Ref:826879)

Aren't chicanes a wonderful invention, they really add to everyone enjoyment and improve the racing no end. To those cynics who say that it just a cheap,lazy and unimaginative way to slow down a dangerous part of the course rather than redesign it, I say no....
To those who have not driven Goodwood (yes I know it has one chicane but it does not seem to spoil the flow) or Castle Combe or Oulton (pre - extra chicane implementation)you do not know what you are missing.

blue nose · 3 Jan 2004, 23:20 (Ref:826893)

Come on Diz your the fountain of information about Oulton.

Redracer77 · 3 Jan 2004, 23:33 (Ref:826914)

Knickerbrook chicane is a good challenge keep it how it is.

blue nose · 3 Jan 2004, 23:43 (Ref:826926)

I do not see a chicane as a challenge for any racer.
It in my veiw it spoils the flow of the cir.cuit

Redracer77 · 3 Jan 2004, 23:50 (Ref:826939)

I do agree but Knickerbrook chicane is quite good as it is so important to the lap you have to get it right. I am not sure if you know BN but it is a new one this year?

blue nose · 3 Jan 2004, 23:53 (Ref:826943)

Any chicane is a stop and go penalty

Redracer77 · 3 Jan 2004, 23:56 (Ref:826949)

it is not like a normal chicane as it opens out and you have to get a good exit to get a good pull all the way up Clay Hill

blue nose · 3 Jan 2004, 23:59 (Ref:826952)

I would still like to take it with just a little bit of a lift

Redracer77 · 4 Jan 2004, 00:00 (Ref:826955)

you maybe could but you would need to miss it out!!!

blue nose · 4 Jan 2004, 00:02 (Ref:826960)

Exactley ? the chicane should be missed out

D_Marshall · 4 Jan 2004, 00:12 (Ref:826972)

Having never driven the track without the chicane or even with the old one, i know i am talking with a bit of inexperience. However the new chicane, which i have driven, does seem to represent a new overtaking area. Also agreeeing with Redracer, it is a very important part of the new circuit in getting a good lap time. In addition to that, even tho it may slow the lap down, knickerbrook has caused a fair few accidents in the past and if this chicane can help the racing spectical (with a new overtaking opportunity) in adding the new chicane, whilst making it safer, then i am all for it.

Redracer77 · 4 Jan 2004, 00:16 (Ref:826974)

good words dave

blue nose · 4 Jan 2004, 00:16 (Ref:826975)

Thatis valid point D-Marshall. But Druids has had its fair share of accidents but would you want to put a chicane half way though it?

Redracer77 · 4 Jan 2004, 00:26 (Ref:826981)

Knickerbrook was made in to a chicane after the Paul Warwick crash and i was at the corner when it happend and it was aweful. I will all remember it for all the wrong reasons. It was taken flat out without any space to expand the run off. it had to happen some time. Druids is not as fast by any means so it is not needed

blue nose · 4 Jan 2004, 00:28 (Ref:826984)

Racing to me is how fast you can get from a to b with out slowing down for c (chicane)

D_Marshall · 4 Jan 2004, 00:32 (Ref:826987)

Blue nose, i agree that Druids has had a few accidents in the past but i don't think it needs a chicane as it isn't as dangerous as Knicerbrook flat out. I understand your point about chicanes slowing down racetracks and in some cases i agree with you! I doubt anyone would want a chicane in Druids but i do think that knickerbrook needed one and the new one does no harm at all for the racing.

blue nose · 4 Jan 2004, 00:45 (Ref:826991)

Pauls accident was not a result of the Knickerbrook corner it happend before he arrived. I as a racer like high speed corners, Island is taken flat and there is not many accidents there to my knowledge.I just think there should be an opption for us to try a different format ie the Bikes do not use the chicane.

Redracer77 · 4 Jan 2004, 00:51 (Ref:826993)

it may have happend before but he was killed because he was doing 160 mph with a run off of about 30m.

blue nose · 4 Jan 2004, 00:53 (Ref:826995)

I do not want to try an organ doner machine (Bike) to see what Knicker is like flat please let it be four wheels.

Redracer77 · 4 Jan 2004, 00:55 (Ref:826996)

if they got rid of the road behind we could extend the run off and run it at full speed. Imagine coming in to druids after taking KB flat!!! They would then put a chicane in there!!!

kickstart · 4 Jan 2004, 01:01 (Ref:826998)

I am not against altering circuits where there is a really obvious danger, but a chicane is not the way forward it is just a cheap way to slow it down. If there is a problem then re-design it. Otherwise there will be an incessant creap towards a circuit dotted with chicanes.In the words of Sir Stirling Moss, chicanes are rather "micky mouse".

blue nose · 4 Jan 2004, 01:03 (Ref:827000)

Druids is lift at 6800,Knicker was a lift for 30 years when men were men in lesser machinery that hurt when you did get it wrong!

blue nose · 4 Jan 2004, 01:09 (Ref:827003)

Kickstart I could not have said it better?

D_Marshall · 4 Jan 2004, 01:12 (Ref:827004)

Kickstart, the new chicane at knickerbrook is not just to slow down the racing as the old one was. However this one has a genuine overtaking opportunity at it, in a place that can be seen by a large amount of the spectators. I couldnt think of a better way to improve racing while making it safer. This is just my opinion.

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