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Old 25 Jan 2018, 17:35 (Ref:3795047)   #1
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F1 tv viewing set to plummet further

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Old 25 Jan 2018, 19:05 (Ref:3795076)   #2
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Im a little confused by this attitude of entitlement that it should be free to air, can someone explain it to me?
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Old 25 Jan 2018, 19:07 (Ref:3795077)   #3
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don't see it as a problem, I can take it or leave it. Endurance racing is where my interest lies these days, and if I'm not watching that I can usefully spend the time fettling the car in the garage.
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Old 25 Jan 2018, 19:36 (Ref:3795085)   #4
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Im a little confused by this attitude of entitlement that it should be free to air, can someone explain it to me?
I don't believe that anyone is saying that they are entitled to FTA; the reality is that the viewing audience is, at this time, voting with it's wallet and is drifting away from F1. As the article makes clear about the UK's audience, based on viewing figures since 2015, it is forecast that the audience number will have fallen by 80% when all live broadcasting goes behind the paywall next year.

Further more, the article linked to by the OP highlights some of the proposals from Liberty which are really no more than re-arranging the deckchairs on the sinking ship whilst the orchestra remain playing in the background.

Notable for it's absence is a proposal that drivers/cars are capable of overtaking each other.
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Old 25 Jan 2018, 19:52 (Ref:3795091)   #5
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I for one will not be happy with a "highlights of the race" played during a live race. How damn stupid is that?
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Old 25 Jan 2018, 19:55 (Ref:3795095)   #6
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wow !!!! they are going to play music during the races, now that will get me ringing up sky to buy a subscription
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Old 25 Jan 2018, 20:26 (Ref:3795111)   #7
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Im a little confused by this attitude of entitlement that it should be free to air, can someone explain it to me?
As an aside, I personally do feel a sense of entitlement, and I actually wrote to FOM, the FIA, FOCA and some individual teams about it, because some many years ago, Mr Ecclestone gave an undertaking that for as long as he was alive and in control of the commercial side of F1 that qualifying and the races would always be available LIVE on FTA.

He broke that undertaking when he permitted the BBC to relinquish it's broadcasting of about half of the races, and further compounded that when he struck the deal with SKY giving them sole rights to live races apart from the British GP.

I don't speak for others; they are free to come to their own conclusions as Mr E is still alive, and he was still in control when the deals were done!


P.S. Not one entity had the courtesy to respond to my polite letters to them. Probably because they don't care as long as they get the money, and because they are selfish, they think only about themselves, and only look to the short term - never the long view.
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Old 25 Jan 2018, 20:46 (Ref:3795119)   #8
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Noooo, Don't let them start race the European races hour later! It's late enough here in Australia without pushing back even further.
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Old 25 Jan 2018, 21:58 (Ref:3795133)   #9
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Perhaps sense of entitlement was the wrong phrase and i apologise if that caused any offence but it just puzzles me that people feel that F1 should be FTA when no other major sport is FTA. Why would F1 not move towards a PPV model in other countries when its been proven to generate a large amount of money, after all thats why Liberty bought it.

I can see the point of view that losing FTA coverage helps to reinforce the falling viewership figures and i agree that it doesn't help but i think a large part of that can also be attributed to the "show" that we have now.

Regardless, its a shame for everyone who enjoys watching the sport who now wont be able to.
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Old 25 Jan 2018, 22:34 (Ref:3795143)   #10
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Perhaps sense of entitlement was the wrong phrase and i apologise if that caused any offence but it just puzzles me that people feel that F1 should be FTA when no other major sport is FTA. ..................................
seems wrong to compare to 'other major sport' when F1 is just becoming a backwater in a large lake of motorsport!
Anyway, how about:
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Old 25 Jan 2018, 23:39 (Ref:3795155)   #11
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The thing is, how can they attract younger viewers, if itís gonna be behind a paywall
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 07:03 (Ref:3795204)   #12
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I personally think that F1 will go through a big shift in the next 5 years. The emergence of electric cars, moving to pay TV, the war against the traditional fossil fuel burning engine. Who knows what all that will do to F1's "popularity".
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 08:31 (Ref:3795216)   #13
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Having finally reached the benchmark age of 60 1Ĺ years ago I find myself saying a similar comment in reply to a number of situations.
I'm glad that I'm this end of my career and not just starting is one of them.
I'm also starting to think the same about my (lifelong) interest in motorsport and especially F1. I've been a follower for most of my life, both on TV and actually at the circuits (home & abroad). With regard to F1, the past 2 - 3 years I've been able to spend even more time making sure I see as much of the qualifying and racing as possible, either live or on catch up using my own recorder using the excellent Channel 4 coverage. When the racing goes behind a paywall, my will to watch it will not be sufficient enough for me to follow & pay to watch. I may use forums such as this to follow what's happening, but then I may lose interest so much that I can't be bothered to do that anymore either.
I can't be alone in thinking like this, and surely, the less spectators the sport gets, the less benefit there is to the sponsors & manufacturers involved? This makes me believe that unless this situation is addressed, the whole thing will simply implode, and the huge financial system will just vanish down it's own (er?) plug hole.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 08:51 (Ref:3795217)   #14
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Perhaps sense of entitlement was the wrong phrase and i apologise if that caused any offence but it just puzzles me that people feel that F1 should be FTA when no other major sport is FTA. Why would F1 not move towards a PPV model in other countries when its been proven to generate a large amount of money, after all thats why Liberty bought it.

I can see the point of view that losing FTA coverage helps to reinforce the falling viewership figures and i agree that it doesn't help but i think a large part of that can also be attributed to the "show" that we have now.

Regardless, its a shame for everyone who enjoys watching the sport who now wont be able to.

I think that you may have misunderstood why Liberty bought out FOM.

FOM is a huge cash cow, which is generated from the income from selling the broadcasting rights of F1, from the contracts with individual circuits for the privilege of holding a F1 race and from various other licencing streams.

However, SKY in the UK certainly doesn't recoup the vast sums that it pays for holding the right to broadcast F1 races; it is a loss leader although their advertisers help to defray some of the costs. Why do you think that Channel 4 didn't even compete to continue their coverage after their contracts finishes at the end of this year?

Just look at the figures. In 2015 when the BBC were still broadcasting F1, the average viewing audience was 3.1 million. By the end of last year, Channel 4's average was down to 1.9 million, whilst SKY only brought in an average of 625,000 and they had to reduce the subscription to even achieve that.

F1 to a broadcaster is not a money-spinner; in fact, it's a drain on their resources. Liberty bought FOM, but they did so because FOM is not a TV broadcaster.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 09:14 (Ref:3795221)   #15
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Personally, I think BE and CVC had the golden financial age from F1 and I doubt it will ever deliver the profitable gains that it did then. My uninformed opinion is based on:

The days of TV promoters globally in a bidding war for TV rights is over
The number of emerging markets and unaccountable promoters with government cash to build tracks and pay whatever F1 wants is declining - are their really a queue of circuits and promoters lining upto pay F1 fees?
I don't see F1 merchandise as a winner - by comparison for example, Premier Leauge football teams have a massive merchandise and shirt sales market, but how many people want to buy a shirt with Premier League on it - F1 is the prermier league but the value in the brands for merchandise is the teams and to a certain extent the drivers, not the 'sport' itself.
In the UK there is a huge decline on teenagers even bothering to learn to drive, they see it as a cost not a rites of passage like to used to be, thereby they have no interest in cars and don't see them as aspirational.
TV viewing generally is falling, streaming is fine but monetising it in the long term is not easy.
In the UK the main broadsheet papers (Times & Telegraph) that put up a paywall have only attracted around 150,000 or so subscribers and their online readership fell 80% when the paywall went up. Compare this to the Evening Standard that sold 250,000 copies when it was a paid for paper, but now has a circulation of 1 million as a free paper. Point I am making it that it doesn't matter how good your 'offer ' is, once you make it harder to access the number fall away.
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