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Old 26 Jan 2018, 16:46 (Ref:3795292)   #31
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Some comments above sound like Dragons Den. TV has , with its vast advertising revenue , become the tail that is waving the F1 dog . Fewer fans ? Good - most of them have probably never seen motor racing live and I wouldn't mourn their loss. But smaller budgets you say ? Good , say I . When a front wing costs 100 grand something is very wrong with the sport....For reference it's worth noting that the inflation adjusted price of an off the shelf DFV from 1968 is only 30 grand more than the wing - and the DFV sounds a damn sight better than today's insanely complex engines. Sorry , 'power units '....
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 16:51 (Ref:3795294)   #32
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Biggest issue for me (as others have said) is that you can't just pay for F1. I have zero interest in getting a Sky or Virgin subscription purely to watch F1 and MotorSport TV.

With the WEC I can subscribe to watch all the races in HD from multiple camera angles with no adverts for less than one months Sky or Virgin subscription.
Thats definately the way it seems to be heading. Traditional TV viewing for F1 will gradually evolve into paying for a live service. I'm of the belief thats what Liberty want.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 17:15 (Ref:3795297)   #33
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Traditional TV viewing for F1 will gradually evolve into paying for a live service. I'm of the belief thats what Liberty want.
I have no doubt. The US market may be PayTV friendly but it is alien to many of us in different markets.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 18:15 (Ref:3795302)   #34
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In essence, judging from the comments above including my own, it would rather seem to indicate that F1 as cache cow is way beyond its sell by date in which case will Liberty get their fingers burned?
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 19:01 (Ref:3795303)   #35
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Playing devils advocate here, I do think F1 has become more mainstream, I never saw people wearing F1 team gear just out in the street 15-20 years ago. Whether that’s ultimately a good thing or not or even tells us anything I’m not sure. I guess we can thank Hamilton for some of that, like him or loath him he has raised the profile of the sport in many ways.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 19:17 (Ref:3795305)   #36
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It's not as simple as a paywall is automatically bad. But I'd have to spend £50 a month to watch F1. That's the problem. I can spend £30 a year for WEC, or £600 a year on F1.

Paywall is fine. I'll pay for a product. But the price has to be reasonable. To get F1 in the UK, you need various packages and services. That becomes a lot.
To be fair you can watch each race on Now TV for £6.99...
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 19:19 (Ref:3795306)   #37
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Biggest issue for me (as others have said) is that you can't just pay for F1. I have zero interest in getting a Sky or Virgin subscription purely to watch F1 and MotorSport TV.
Yes you can.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 19:30 (Ref:3795308)   #38
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To be fair you can watch each race on Now TV for £6.99...
You have to drop qualifying and practice. So even that is still £140 a year, for no qualifying and practice sessions. So it's still much much more expensive than other series, for less content. So even the best case scenario is still pretty terrible.

Eurosport online pass is the same price for a month that F1 is for a day. And gets you all ES channels, plus more. Something isn't right there.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 19:36 (Ref:3795310)   #39
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Playing devils advocate here, I do think F1 has become more mainstream, I never saw people wearing F1 team gear just out in the street 15-20 years ago. Whether thatís ultimately a good thing or not or even tells us anything Iím not sure. I guess we can thank Hamilton for some of that, like him or loath him he has raised the profile of the sport in many ways.
They've been wearing it since the 60s and 70's, what with the Malboro McLaren and Yardley McLaren anoraks, etc. plus there was the Denim aftershave gear as well. They are just the names that spring to mind immediately, but there were countless others. Although not a F1 team per se, but Ford also sold a clothing range aimed at motorsport enthusiasts, and I used to wear one of their anoraks - kindly donated, I might add.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 20:04 (Ref:3795311)   #40
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You have to drop qualifying and practice. So even that is still £140 a year, for no qualifying and practice sessions. So it's still much much more expensive than other series, for less content. So even the best case scenario is still pretty terrible.

Eurosport online pass is the same price for a month that F1 is for a day. And gets you all ES channels, plus more. Something isn't right there.
But it’s not the £600 you claimed before. And if you pay £10.99 for each one you get every session of F1, F2 and GP3. These latter formulae were never available on terrestrial and are easily worth the money alone.

So you said £600 for F1 but actually it’s under half that with both the other series too.

But feel free to keep complaining and posting facts which are totally incorrect!
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 20:16 (Ref:3795314)   #41
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But it isn't incorrect. It's...completely correct. If you're trying to get F1 through a TV package, that is around what it will cost you. The TV package is the preferred method for many, and for those in rural areas with poor internet, it'll be the only option. So I'm not sure what is "incorrect" about it.

You've given 2 more options. Only one of those is actually a true option - still costs £220 a year, about 4-5 times more expensive than any other series. The option you mentioned first, at £7 a month, is only valid if you chop 2 out of the 3 days off the weekend. You know, whilst we're discussing incorrect facts and what not? And why is it £7 for a day pass for F1, but £7 a month for a Eurosport pass? That's also not incorrect btw. It's true and stuff!

F1 is more expensive than any other motorsport. Viewing figures are dropping. It doesn't take a science degree to work out the connection here. This thread is about dropping viewing numbers, and I gave a reason why. So I'll continue "complaining" as it's the only way we'll actually be able to have a discussion on it. Or we can deny it all and pretend everything is ok, because you can pay 4 times the price of everything else, to get less. Even the best case scenario for F1 puts it miles below everything else. Kinda says it all really.

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Old 26 Jan 2018, 20:22 (Ref:3795316)   #42
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Ok. I live rural and stream Now TV and BT Sport with no problem at all. Better picture than Freeview.

I agree with your principle though and would rather see free to air but 98% of the population can pay under half what you claimed and see hundreds of hours of extra quality that was never bothered with by BBC or C4
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Ok. I live rural and stream Now TV and BT Sport with no problem at all. Better picture than Freeview.
Good times. About a 5 mile away from me there's people who can't even stream YouTube. They won't be getting any decent picture, so they're back to £600 a year.

If the BEST argument we can come up with to support F1 is "Well it's not as bad as feared, because you can watch it for 4 times the price of any other series" then that's a bad state of affairs and exactly why this thread was created.

Here's another fun way of looking at it. The best case for F1 is spending £140 a year, and you won't get to see qualifying. But if you're "casual" enough to not care about qualifying, you won't be spending £140 a year. So that's an odd market target. Almost like F1 didn't really consider the target markets and went for short term gain.

I understand not every sport can be FTA. But if Eurosport want £7 a month and WEC want £30 a year, then I don't see why F1 is 3 digits. It doesn't have to be free, just has to be sensible.
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Old 26 Jan 2018, 20:33 (Ref:3795318)   #44
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Ah, you’re in Scotland.
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Most of our internet is connected via tin cans with string. I am a lucky one in that I can sometimes stream HD, but sometimes it's terrible.
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