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Old 28 Jun 2008, 13:02 (Ref:2239254)   #1
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[DTM] Round 5 - Norisring, 29th June 2008

The best race on the calendar still.

Been a bit of a gap.

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1 - Bruno Spengler - Mercedes C-Klasse - DTM2008 - 47.785


2 - Jamie Green - Mercedes C-Klasse - DTM2008 - 47.963


3 - Paul di Resta - Mercedes C-Klasse - DTM2008 - 47.969


4 - Timo Scheider - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2008 - 48.028


5 - Martin Tomczyk - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2008 - 48.041


6 - Tom Kristensen - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2008 - 48.136


7 - Bernd Schneider - Mercedes C-Klasse - DTM2008 - 48.168


8 - Mattias Ekström - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2008 - 48.187


9 - Gary Paffett - Mercedes C-Klasse - DTM2007 - 48.295


10 - Alexandre Prémat - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2007 - 48.375


11 - Ralf Schumacher - Mercedes C-Klasse - DTM2007 - 48.417


12 - Maro Engel - Mercedes C-Klasse - DTM2007 - 48.538


13 - Oliver Jarvis - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2007 - 48.565


14 - Mathias Lauda - Mercedes C-Klasse - DTM2007 - 48.663


15 - Susie Stoddart - Mercedes C-Klasse - DTM2007 - 48.581


16 - Mike Rockenfeller - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2007 - 48.627


17 - Christijan Albers - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2006 - 48.658


18 - Markus Winkelhock - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2007 - 48.662


19 - Katherine Legge - Audi A4 DTM - DTM2006 - 48.829
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Old 29 Jun 2008, 13:31 (Ref:2239682)   #2
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Quite an enjoyable race, particularly the scrap between Paffett and Kristensen.

I was surprised, but quite pleased, that Green didn't receive a penalty for driving off with the fuel hose attached.
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Old 29 Jun 2008, 13:43 (Ref:2239685)   #3
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I'm not that certain it's been a regular penalty as Kirby & Cole intimated.

So hopefully, Green's win will stand. Nice and close at the top, 1 point between Scheider & Green, with di Resta not far behind.
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Old 29 Jun 2008, 15:21 (Ref:2239746)   #4
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A good race today, fingers crossed that Green keeps the race win after all it wasnt really his fault but rather the teams. Nice too to see Paffet and Stoddart doing well, Stoddart looks as though she might finally be finding some true pace. Fingers crossed that Zandvoort will be as close as todays race.
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Old 29 Jun 2008, 15:34 (Ref:2239754)   #5
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A good race today, fingers crossed that Green keeps the race win after all it wasnt really his fault but rather the teams.
Couldn't agree more. Safety is important, and there do need to be repercussions when something like this occurs, but I'd rather the team were hit with a fine or something.

The fact is, Green dominated the race from lights-to-flag, and to be penalised for something out of his control, which didn't offer any sort of performance advantage, would be hugely unjust.
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Old 29 Jun 2008, 18:39 (Ref:2239910)   #6
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Great race! Very close,tough but fair! Fourth win in seven races for Jamie. Disappointing result for 'Maestro' Bernd
I hope, the battle continues in Holland!
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Old 29 Jun 2008, 21:49 (Ref:2240062)   #7
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Paffett found to be underweight so he's DQd. That means Lauda gets a point...
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Old 30 Jun 2008, 07:13 (Ref:2240210)   #8
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Paffett found to be underweight so he's DQd. That means Lauda gets a point...
Ralph could get it, but he didn't. Good race for him.
Excellent race, as every Norisring
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Old 30 Jun 2008, 07:18 (Ref:2240214)   #9
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Ralf battling all race long with Lauda, what a sight
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Old 30 Jun 2008, 19:28 (Ref:2240728)   #10
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8 posts for a DTM race ? Shows how much we are all interested in this series. A few years ago i was hooked, and now i'm just not bothered, which is a big thing for me to say, as i love motorsport.
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Old 2 Jul 2008, 09:06 (Ref:2242073)   #11
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DTM is always boring. I tried to watch it, but I switched over to Carrera Cup on SVT 24 halfway through. I only bother with it because of Ektröm, but even that isn't enough to keep me interested.
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Old 2 Jul 2008, 09:12 (Ref:2242077)   #12
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... I switched over to Carrera Cup on SVT 24 halfway through.
you must find DTM dull - the Carrera cup is tedious in the extreme!

I haven't caught a lot of the DTM this year (or any other race series for that matter) but I've been watching the highlights on DTM TV. The Norisring seemed quite a good race though.
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I think spectators want to see battles in every turn. So short WTCC and especially BTCC races are so popular.
DTM has changed roles with Touring I think. In mid-70's ETCC had 6hours races,and nobody says what the boring races there were. There was a battle between BMW and Ford. And it's very interesting to discover something new about that races,to find out how that victories were reached. So,no changing in the lead,doesn't mean,that race is boring. It only needs to switch on the brain and analyze the completed race. Why Audi has some advantage in Zandvoort,even besides that weight handicap,for example?
Of course,the series suffers from its 'closeness'.We don't know lots of technical details, some test times etc. If ITR opens that doors for spectators it would be more interesting to watch the duel. I'm sure,in ten years we'll be able to say that 00-10 DTM wasn't worse that ETCC'73-74 battles. We'll dig up just more details.
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you must find DTM dull - the Carrera cup is tedious in the extreme!
He is talking about CC Scandinavia, not the much duller CC UK.
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8 posts for a DTM race ? Shows how much we are all interested in this series. A few years ago i was hooked, and now i'm just not bothered, which is a big thing for me to say, as i love motorsport.
My interest in DTM has decreased in the last 2, 3 years. This season I haven't seen a full race. I didn't see a minute of the Norisring race, which is IMO the best DTM race of the calendar. It's time for new technical regulations AND manufacturers.
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I guess the viewer situation can be split up in 2 parts. The local, on race day, visitors still seem to buy the tickets. But the "international TV crowd" seems to be losing interest, and for good reason. And while the racing this year IMO has been a lot cleaner than last year (in fact there's even in team battles happening this year) the farce that was going on the last years has clearly damaged the reputation of DTM among the real motor sport enthusiasts. That will take a lot of time to repair and adding a manufacturer or 2 would indeed be just what the doctor ordered.
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My interest in DTM has decreased in the last 2, 3 years. This season I haven't seen a full race. I didn't see a minute of the Norisring race, which is IMO the best DTM race of the calendar. It's time for new technical regulations AND manufacturers.
I couldn't agree more. The cars looked alot nicer in the 90s too !
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