IMSA Race 2017 - Rolex Daytona 24 - Page 31

Damian Baldi · 29 Jan 2017, 01:07 (Ref:3706383)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

How many times are they going to let the 31 get push started?

Is working the starter on that car? Conway's time now ! go Mike go !

gert · 29 Jan 2017, 01:08 (Ref:3706384)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

How many times are they going to let the 31 get push started?

How many more pit stops do they need to get to the end?

fieldodreams79 · 29 Jan 2017, 01:09 (Ref:3706387)

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Originally Posted by gert

How many more pit stops do they need to get to the end?

Are you answering a hypothetical question with a hypothetical question?

MoMedic9019 · 29 Jan 2017, 01:10 (Ref:3706388)

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Originally Posted by gert

How many more pit stops do they need to get to the end?

Approx 17.

Going about 45-55 minutes per stint.

TF110 · 29 Jan 2017, 01:13 (Ref:3706390)

This will be interesting with the rain going back to green.

kvenom · 29 Jan 2017, 01:13 (Ref:3706391)

Why is this FCY going on so long?

FormulaFox · 29 Jan 2017, 01:13 (Ref:3706392)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Please reference what Caddy did in PWC at Sebring in 2004... GM has written the textbook on sandbagging for new car debuts.

What happened over a decade ago has no bearing on what they've done recently. Showing a willingness to do something does not prove they do it every time(despite your inference, they never demonstrably sandbagged with the C6 GT2 and C7 Corvette debuts, for example - though there was no BoP for the C6 debut, it would not have been a bad idea to hold back and not show their hand to opponents, but there's limited indication that such was done).

But I'll remind you again, since you're harping on this to an extent that seems to imply you're forgetting, I have at no point said that sandbagging was NEVER a possibility, nor even that it was unlikely. I've only pointed out, and will continue to do so, that the circumstances surrounding the matter do not make it the ONLY reasonable possibility. When other possibilities are reasonable, I cannot in good faith assume the worst possibility is the only possibility, and I find it a very poor attitude for others to do so.

Whatever advantages the Caddys do or do not have, they're being heavily exaggerated by the problems of the other entries. Even without sandbagging this would not be a surprise - the Caddys have had more track time than any other car in the field. Even with 100% perfect BoP, I'd expect them to dominate not too differently from this.

tux · 29 Jan 2017, 01:14 (Ref:3706393)

Glad i switched from the Motors TV coverage to the IMSA stream. Why do Fox need to speak to a Nascar driver every caution?

fieldodreams79 · 29 Jan 2017, 01:14 (Ref:3706394)

Did anyone change to wets already? I didn't hear that anyone took wets?

Edit. I guess not. Looking like they're going to wets now.

81 having more issues.

MoMedic9019 · 29 Jan 2017, 01:16 (Ref:3706396)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

What happened over a decade ago has no bearing on what they've done recently. Showing a willingness to do something does not prove they do it every time(despite your inference, they never demonstrably sandbagged with the C6 GT2 and C7 Corvette debuts, for example).

But I'll remind you again, since you're harping on this to an extent that seems to imply you're forgetting, I have at no point said that sandbagging was NEVER a possibility, nor even that it was unlikely. I've only pointed out, and will continue to do so, that the circumstances surrounding the matter do not make it the ONLY reasonable possibility. When other possibilities are reasonable, I cannot in good faith assume the worst possibility is the only possibility, and I find it a very poor attitude for others to do so.

Whatever advantages the Caddys do or do not have, they're being heavily exaggerated by the problems of the other entries. Even without sandbagging this would not be a surprise - the Caddys have had more track time than any other car in the field. Even with 100% perfect BoP, I'd expect them to dominate not too differently from this.

I mean, when you've got first hand knowledge that they have done it, and do-do it... I suppose that's irrelevant. You don't just find a few seconds from practice/qualifying to race pace. It was always there.

gert · 29 Jan 2017, 01:16 (Ref:3706397)

Almost everyone will come (back) in for wets now

fieldodreams79 · 29 Jan 2017, 01:17 (Ref:3706398)

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Originally Posted by tux

Glad i switched from the Motors TV coverage to the IMSA stream. Why do Fox need to speak to a Nascar driver every caution?

Because it's Fox. Thanks just goodness for the YouTube alternate. Fox is dreadful and it's a shame they are still allowed to cover racing or anything for that matter

OmerRS · 29 Jan 2017, 01:17 (Ref:3706399)

10-15 minute FCY only because of #4 Corvette stopped on track side? Its getting worse.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Jan 2017, 01:18 (Ref:3706400)

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Originally Posted by kvenom

Why is this FCY going on so long?

A good question.

gert · 29 Jan 2017, 01:18 (Ref:3706401)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I mean, when you've got first hand knowledge that they have done it, and do-do it... I suppose that's irrelevant. You don't just find a few seconds from practice/qualifying to race pace. It was always there.

Exactly that.

If there were external circumstances (*) that led to that improvement, that same margin would also be their for their competitors, and across the other classes.

(*) weather or temperature related, or similar changes between practice/qualifying and the race

fieldodreams79 · 29 Jan 2017, 01:20 (Ref:3706404)

Just heard the 3 Vette radio say the rain is lightning up. People may stay on slicks after all. This may get very interesting!

**PascaLM** · 29 Jan 2017, 01:20 (Ref:3706405)

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Originally Posted by Scorchess

Clearly Angelleli and Curran are way better drivers than that rookie Frenchman in the Rebellion...

Sarrazin has to pedal to have some speed on the banking.

carbsmith · 29 Jan 2017, 01:20 (Ref:3706406)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Aside from the occasional Panoz win, Audi won 80+% of the time from 2000-2003. Even against Dyson with the Champion team (and no factory Joest outfit, though I'd rate Champion as being every bit as good as Joest), Audi still won 8 times out of 10 basically. Only the factory backed LMP2 cars due to IMSA rules quirks gave Audi much serious opposition until Peugeot showed up.

Of course they did, because Joest was the best team with the best strategy and the most reliable cars, so they had the most consistent results. But they still had to fight for it.

Dyson Mazda · 29 Jan 2017, 01:21 (Ref:3706407)

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Originally Posted by tux

Glad i switched from the Motors TV coverage to the IMSA stream. Why do Fox need to speak to a Nascar driver every caution?

Are they like NASCAR drivers calling in, or are they wandering around the paddock? There is really only 1 in the race.

Dyson Mazda · 29 Jan 2017, 01:22 (Ref:3706409)

I mean if we are being realistic, has any BoP'ed platform out of the box been spot on?

10TENTHS · 29 Jan 2017, 01:24 (Ref:3706411)

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Originally Posted by OmerRS

10-15 minute FCY only because of #4 Corvette stopped on track side? Its getting worse.

...because two drivers (#81 and a Lambo) kept stopping and starting in the middle of the track to reset their electronics. Or weren't you watching the feed?

fieldodreams79 · 29 Jan 2017, 01:25 (Ref:3706412)

4 Vette stated on the radio to have a broken right rear wheel and it sounds like they're having suspension issues now according to RLM. Certainly from contact with the Ford who have received no penalties as of yet.

Articus · 29 Jan 2017, 01:26 (Ref:3706414)

I feel as though this is a note worthy moment, but 912 Porsche into the lead in GTLM.

Not sure it was pace alone, but strategy and a good pitstop during the Caution seems to have helped them.

FormulaFox · 29 Jan 2017, 01:26 (Ref:3706415)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I mean, when you've got first hand knowledge that they have done it, and do-do it... I suppose that's irrelevant. You don't just find a few seconds from practice/qualifying to race pace. It was always there.

True statement, but inaccurate claim about the current situation - they didn't find "a few seconds." They've found a little over half a second - Fastest Cadillac quali was 1:36.903, fastest race lap is a 1:36.269.

It's not unheard of for a team to legitimately find a few tenths to a half second or so between quali and race - especially when learning new cars(and despite how much more testing time they've had, the Cadillac teams ARE still learning just like everyone else). But it's uncommon enough that it is why I ALREADY NOTED that evidence leaning towards sandbagging has actually grown for the first time. It still doesn't PROVE it when it's happened alongside all these other struggles and undeniable loss of pace for the other cars, but it's certainly evidence that deliberate sandbagging is more likely than it appeared before.

Articus · 29 Jan 2017, 01:27 (Ref:3706417)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

I mean if we are being realistic, has any BoP'ed platform out of the box been spot on?

spot on relative to what? And that's a difficult questions to answer.

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