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Old 14 Aug 2019, 18:52 (Ref:3922756)   #1621
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Actually, that's untrue, Bob. Clinton had nearly 3 million votes more than Trump. Just saying ..

Ooops, just spotted Mike's post saying the same. I'll grab me coat!
Leave your coat on the rack John. More of the people who counted voted for Trump. How anybody other than Bill could have voted for Hilary is beyond my understanding, A truly dreadful woman.
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Old 14 Aug 2019, 19:06 (Ref:3922761)   #1622
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Other than generally we vote for a manifesto and that is what the MPs are obliged to follow. The current circs are somewhat different. The MPs should follow their constituents not their own personal agendas. This is why some are being deselelected.
A Manifesto?

You mean the list of stuff that they tout to people when appealing for their support and then quickly misplace once the need for the support is in the past?

"Events, dear boy, events".
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Old 15 Aug 2019, 04:30 (Ref:3922802)   #1623
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Yes I do mean that and it is the principle upon which Mps are voted. I am not suggesting that the Mps then stick to it but it is the basis of our general elections.
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Yes I do mean that and it is the principle upon which Mps are voted. I am not suggesting that the Mps then stick to it but it is the basis of our general elections.
Indeed it is Peter but over the years I have come to question the validity of the concept.

They are, for all practical purposes, just another form of Dodgy Dossier.

The only bits that seem to be enacted are those that are common to all parties or those bound to fail at some point before the next election, thus making them pre-prepared targets for criticism.

Almost like the 'opposition' allowed them through on purpose ...

Still, I suppose it gives the denizens of Westminster something to do.
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Old 15 Aug 2019, 11:31 (Ref:3922838)   #1625
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More of the people who counted voted for Clinton. How anybody could have voted for Trump, A truly dreadful man.
Corrected that for you, Bob!
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Indeed it is Peter but over the years I have come to question the validity of the concept.

They are, for all practical purposes, just another form of Dodgy Dossier.

The only bits that seem to be enacted are those that are common to all parties or those bound to fail at some point before the next election, thus making them pre-prepared targets for criticism.

Almost like the 'opposition' allowed them through on purpose ...

Still, I suppose it gives the denizens of Westminster something to do.
There's a lot to be said in favour of our system in that notwithstanding your point, we generally have the means to vote the miscreant out on a regular basis.

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Corrected that for you, Bob!
If anyone suggests the Clintons are honest godfearing denizens of society I'll throw up. Both Clinton (H) and Obama should have been shot at birth. They are the real reason why Trump succeeded.
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Old 15 Aug 2019, 11:52 (Ref:3922842)   #1627
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Both Clinton (H) and Obama should have been shot at birth. They are the real reason why Trump succeeded.

Whatever one's views on Obama are, at least he is responsible for ensuring that around 20 to 30 million Americans now have access to state funded medical care, something that Trump and some Republicans want to deny them.

I am sure that he also contributed other things, too.
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There's a lot to be said in favour of our system in that notwithstanding your point, we generally have the means to vote the miscreant out on a regular basis.
True Peter - but the US system requires a review (Via Senate/Congress elections as far as voters are concerned) every 2 years.

And of course should they wish to they can impeach a President or find other ways to persuade them to vacate their position. Nixon for example.

That they don't do so very often may be because it would be very visible raking over a probably widespread pit of political and personal skeletons.

Here we allow people to avoid all of that in terms of passing power from one PM to another appointment without be asked to vote on a PM/Vice PM Team in the first place. And none of them have to really do anything about the list of objectives on a manifesto.

At least in the States the election process seems to mean getting people to provide campaign cash in return for promised favours. If the favours happen to be policy related there is a good chance that some sort of action related to the policy will be undertaken. Especially if a second term may be in the offing.
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.... but the US system requires a review (Via Senate/Congress elections as far as voters are concerned) every 2 years.
Similar to the UK By-elections.

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And of course should they wish to they can impeach a President or find other ways to persuade them to vacate their position. Nixon for example.
And we have the Parliamentary Standards Committee. It should be more robust but it has so far dealt with many MPs quite severely.

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Here we allow people to avoid all of that in terms of passing power from one PM to another appointment without be asked to vote on a PM/Vice PM Team in the first place. And none of them have to really do anything about the list of objectives on a manifesto.
Not entirely accurate since Parliament has the power to no confidence a government and seek a general election.

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Not sure what this point is really. Cash for favours? Sounds like bribery.
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Not sure what this point is really. Cash for favours? Sounds like bribery.

Much like the contents of a Manifesto could be considered to be a means of bribery to obtain votes?



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Not really since most are sensible enough to vote for the things they need. Having voted they have no further influence on matters. Cash for favours suggests and ongoing relationship.
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If anyone suggests the Clintons are honest godfearing denizens of society I'll throw up. Both Clinton (H) and Obama should have been shot at birth. They are the real reason why Trump succeeded.
Not suggesting that for one moment, Peter, and agree that's why Trump got in, but, for me he is even worse. Hey ho.
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Corrected that for you, Bob!
John, I do not necessarily consider Donald Trump a nice man or even a good President, but he is preferable to the alternatives. Obama, on national UK TV openly threatened the UK with disaster if they dared to vote to Leave the EU. For that alone I would gladly spit in his eye, and then blacken it, as for Hilary Clinton the very sight of her on TV turned my stomach, a shining example of a Grade A hypocrite.

Donald Trump is sexist, racist, Islamophobic, and probably a misogynist!

My kind of man.
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* And so are you, sir.
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