Are V8's going to be clones of NASCAR?

[Razor]

Are the V8 Supercars heading to be clones of NASCAR with control chassis, same horse power and tech features? Cast your votes and posts of the V8's heading to NASCAR or not.

[hml2777]

Absolutely, except for the Oval circuit, then again Street Ciruits are a bit like that anyway.

[James63]

They are already there in some senses...But heading that way completely? yeah pretty much..

[GTRMagic]

Hmmm, other than cars in the same engine supply 'circle of trust' which 2 cars in NASCAR have the same horsepower??

One of the head honchos from the Cosworth group rocked up and found 25bhp out of a NASCAR engine that had been developed for a zillion years.

25bhp!!

Phenomenal....

There are still good teams and bad teams in NASCAR, same as Supercar....

[inpitlane]

Tony has made no secret of his admiration for NASCAR, in fact when he made his first ever appearance on In Pit Lane 10 years ago he said at the time that NASCAR was ultimatly the template he was using to fashion V8 Supercars.
He said then his ideal meeting would be 2 Level 2 Busch Cup type races and 1 big V8 event.
Even then he had little time for "support categories"
If I can hunt down that tape I might publish it on the In Pit Lane Podcast http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...3460&i=1481143 in the New Year.

[Robert Ryan]

Yep, NASCAR is the model.

[D.R.T.]

So how long before they drop the touring car (title) sham.

[marcus]

well I dont wanna get into this argument but Nascar is the biggest watched motorsport anywhere in the world , so they must be doing someright , Right ?

[Robert Ryan]

DRT were listed as Touring Cars by a British publication. DTM is even less stock than V8Supercar, but they are still Touring Cars.

[kramer]

In 1992, when CAMS announced the new rules, they said that the cars would be "NASCAR-like". So that's how they started, and they've got closer ever since.

Kramer

[WebberForWDC]

Well if works then it will be great. Bout time to see a truly even spread winners, quit the boring usual suspect wins. Time for Brad Jones to win, Paul Morris to win, Steve Owen to win etc. etc. Truly totally unpredictable winner delivered every time, would be great.

[Head Rev]

There was an hour special on early Tuesday morning at about 1am on CBNC (Foxtel), called Nascar Gold. It talked about the commercial side of Nascar with interviews with Nascar CEO Brian France and car owners and drivers. It discussed how the decline of bat and ball sports has seen Nascar boom over the past few years. Sponsors are clambering to have their name on the cars (or as they say - "moving billboards"). Fantastic programe showing how big the commercial side of Nascar is, it is now one of the biggest watched sports in the world - especially as it is on 30 plus times a year and held in huge sporting complexes.

If you get a chance check out your Foxtel guide to see if it's on again. About to go and watch it again on tape.

[John Cummins]

The first time i saw a Toyota Craftsman truck engine i thought it was a Yates/Roush Ford engine. They look the same.

[SkaifeHRT]

I'd like to see the V8s head in a GTP direction. Ditch the wings!!!

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

DRT were listed as Touring Cars by a British publication. DTM is even less stock than V8Supercar, but they are still Touring Cars.

DTM arent touring cars either.

My point is that Nascar arent touring cars, no one calls them touring cars. Cochrane doesnt see them as touring cars, but he is willing to head down the Nascar path but still wants to hold on to the "worlds greatest touring car" joke.

[dsg]

I think trying to box Supercars into a predetermined category in being somewhat pedantic. V8 Supercars aren't NASCAR but they also can no longer be called touring cars.

V8 Supercars are not, nor ever will be clones of NASCAR. But yes, the cars may have similarities.

[racer69]

Who are the 5 (so far) jokers who have voted no? You can't be serious......

[Robert Ryan]

So what is DTM? The only Touring cars by your definition are the WTCC and the BTCC a pretty sad bunch.
no one calls them touring cars. The British and Europeans have. Touring cars without doors , but they still run on roadcourses(only two I admit)

[Robert Ryan]

One defintion I quickly got off the net. Notice how the distinction is not that cut and dried
"NASCAR and Touring Car racing
Non-formula, road car-based racing spawned NASCAR in America and Touring Car racing in the rest of the world. Both are for cars that from the outside look like showroom road-going models but which underneath the skin are very different. NASCAR tailors to American production models and races mainly — though not exclusively — on ovals. Touring cars are based on European or Australian road cars and, like F1 cars, race on road racing or street tracks"

[Robert Ryan]

Another one:
"In two sentences: NASCAR are covered wheel touring cars, while CART are open wheel (formerly known as Indy-cars) cars with turbocharged engines. NASCAR is the American equivalent of BTCC, while CART is similar to F1."

[dsg]

Originally Posted by racer69

Who are the 5 (so far) jokers who have voted no? You can't be serious......

I'm one of the jokers who voted no. Who are the 18 clowns who believe Supercars and NASCAR are identical in every respect? Or don't know the meaning of clone.

[Robert Ryan]

They are not identical and never will be, but V8Supercar is borrowing heavily from the more successful NASCAR experiences.

[WebberForWDC]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

"NASCAR and Touring Car racing
Non-formula, road car-based racing spawned NASCAR in America and Touring Car racing in the rest of the world. Both are for cars that from the outside look like showroom road-going models but which underneath the skin are very different. NASCAR tailors to American production models and races mainly — though not exclusively — on ovals. Touring cars are based on European or Australian road cars and, like F1 cars, race on road racing or street tracks"

That definition is not from Wikipedia is it? It's woeful.

As long as V8s have some sort of road-car bodywork, even *shock horror* real panels for the near-future, it will be alright. Even if the shape of the cars becomes a computer cut-and-shut to the tune of 10cm dropped here and there as the shape of the road car is morphed to fit onto the chassis DTM-style and then made out of carbon or fiberglass it won't be too bad, as long as we have doors that actually open and cars that don't look like jelly beans the series will go along nicely IMHO, regardless if what's under the skin becomes much the same.

Extremely daft comment ahead... In my uninformed opinion as with all FIA regulations apart from the drivetrain and direct performance parts of the car, the rest is totally free right? (small consellation I guess. Just as a poster said, they follow the letter, but then they "get away with whatever they can" as the rules are vague aren't they? You can certainly stick what-ever air-conditing or cooling system where-ever you want, and you can stick most auxillary functional parts of what-ever design where-ever you want... that's completely unregulated... I guess that's fairly trivial if you can't choose your ratios and the suspension points are regulated but not standard and you have restrictions of your engines etc. oh well.

In two sentences: NASCAR are covered wheel touring cars, while CART are open wheel (formerly known as Indy-cars) cars with turbocharged engines. NASCAR is the American equivalent of BTCC, while CART is similar to F1

I don't think that defination is real great either. The Bentley LMP that usually adorns the ten-tenths logo has covered wheels (and a roof) does that make it a touring car?

[StuiE]

When are V8Supercars going to get overtaking from NASCAR?

[Just Do It!]

You don't have to be very sharp to realise that the 2 original business plan writers based the Supercar business on the NASCAR model. NASCAR is bloody huge - period. Resultingly, it has a huge number of years of experience over and above Supercars, but it is clear that Supercars could well be the local version of NASCAR. It has the all the ingredients to get there. It just needs more rounds to get more regular TV exposure to thus develop the fan base and general awareness level even further. Its at the point of needing to take the next step in its development by increasing round numbers.

I would like to see 11-12 Australian rounds and 4-5 overseas rounds a year. Its absolutely possibly and fair to say that it would keep all fans happy - the local fan base satisfied and the international fan base just hungry enough.