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Old 30 Oct 2019, 19:02 (Ref:3937706)   #76
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It doesn't matter how hard anyone tries, the bottom line is that his behaviour was inexcusable (in the car) and downright puerile (out of it).

Agreed.


As Gordon says, in the heat of a race or even qualy, with cars side by side, it is possible to miss a flag or a light - I had concerns on Saturday in the rain and spray at Donington that I might have missed one that is positioned way to the right as you climb up from the Old Hairpin, as I was side by side (to the left) of another car, as there was a yellow there next time round.....but if I'd been reported I'd have held my hands up.



For my 2p, light boxes that are immediately adjacent to the track are useful - but a waved flag (particularly some distance from trackside) is much more likely to catch the eye - you see the movement - and of course an experienced marshal conveys a whole lot of information concerning the severity of the incident by the manner in which the flag is displayed
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Old 30 Oct 2019, 21:38 (Ref:3937720)   #77
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Don’t all cars have cockpit lights to tell them when a yellow flag is out though? Surely there’s no excuse if they do

However it’s interesting you mention missing yellow flags. I’ve found myself reading Martin Brundle’s working the wheel and he says how annoyed he was to get fined for going off under yellow flags at Suzuka in 94, the one where he hit a marshal and nearly suffered the same fate as Bianchi would later , when due to the conditions, in his words you couldn’t see your own hand in front of your face and the fact is the red flag should have been out sooner
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Old 30 Oct 2019, 22:40 (Ref:3937730)   #78
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The cockpit light system was not functioning - the cable that got severed meant no signalling lights at the flag point, also meaning no transmission to the cars so no dash lights. Flags were “it” in those circumstances.

No visibility issues such as MB experienced at Suzuka - just a young driver who made a bad decision.
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 19:48 (Ref:3938754)   #79
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i was just wondering how you guys felt about this gem of an interview with kvyatt, https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...k9FFdu0bX.html

i mean, is there literally anyone around -apart from him- who think that it was a fair and square move and deserved no penalty?

it seems to me that 1. he wasnt anywhere near at the entry of the corner to really even claim a line 2. he was given a really generous amount of space regardless 3. he just crashed into a car that went clearly first in to a corner 4. the impact of the crash seems like the only reason he could even make the corner (its literally one of those "master" moves where you need to crash into someone to get the braking right... after all it was a bit over ambitious racing -i would even say kudos for trying, really- but how delussional you need to be to say that THIS was a legit move (took the points of track...)
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 21:14 (Ref:3938763)   #80
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Driving standards/ stewarding

Yes it was over ambitious now you mention it, although he at least got alongside unlike in Mexico where he just drove into the back wheel of Hulk. Still Kvyat had a good drive in Austin
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Old 20 Nov 2019, 10:16 (Ref:3941738)   #81
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Following Hamiltons admission of guilt in Brazil I wonder if drivers were given reduced penalties for admitting their mistakes would it reduce the work of the stewards?
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Old 20 Nov 2019, 11:12 (Ref:3941741)   #82
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I have heard cases of that in the past. However it would only work if you weren’t a repeat offender.

I have to say though that the biggest offence didn’t get a punishment. Vettel on Leclerc. If they weren’t team mates, would Vettel have got away with it so easily. Surely it was worth more punishment than the two proper racing incidents that did get a punishment
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Old 20 Nov 2019, 13:10 (Ref:3941763)   #83
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Isn't it the case that more points on Vettell's licence might leave the grid short of an indispensable red car?
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Old 20 Nov 2019, 15:04 (Ref:3941778)   #84
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Not really, they can always find a replacement for Vettel in that red car
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Not really, they can always find a replacement for Vettel in that red car
No, they can't:

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Section 4 (Licenses), Article 4.2:
"With the exception of a reprimand or fine, when a penalty is applied under the International Sporting Code or Article 38.3 the stewards may impose penalty points on a driver’s Super Licence. If a driver accrues 12 penalty points his licence will be suspended for the following Event, following which 12 points will be removed from the licence."
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12.9.3 Suspension shall also render null and void any previous Entry made for any Competition which may take place during the term of such Suspension and shall also entail the forfeiture of the fee payable for any such Entry.
...meaning that during the period of any suspension due to accumulation of penalty points, the team's entry for that driver & car pairing is rendered null and void - so the driver cannot simply be replaced.

I'm sure Ferrari would plead force majeure and ask, but I doubt they'd be permitted to run a replacement driver. There are articles about that too but I'll leave them as an exercise for anyone who can be bothered to look them up!
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The last driver to get banned Grosjean was replaced by d’Ambrosio for Monza, although I’m not sure that was by the penalty points system
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A prime example of a little knowledge not being used correctly....

Article 12.9 of the ISC relates to Suspension of the Competitor / Driver by their ASN for "Grave Offences". Think Dan Ticktum.....

Article 4 of the F1 Sporting regs allows for the suspension of a drivers licence for the next event after he accrues 12 points in a 12 month period

Article 26 of the F1 Sporting regs allows for the change of a driver at any time up to the start of qualifying practice.
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Might still hack Ferrari off to be without their "No 1" driver at the last race of the year.

Vettel is a spoilt brat, has made a huge contribution to Ferrari failing to win a world title for 3 straight years. It's only my feeling but I believe that if Hamilton had been in the Ferrari and Vettel in the Merc for the last 3 years Ferrari would have won at least one championship for drivers if not for constructors.
Ferrari have sacked a lot of people but not the most deserving.
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